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« Reply #334 on Apr 23, 2009, 9:51pm »

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If everyone (or at least a majority) in Vermont decided that Vermont didn't exist, Vermont wouldn't exist.

Oh, can we have more stupid hypotheticals?


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That wouldn't be a violation of state's rights, since states don't have rights, people have rights.

The Constitution. Read it.


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Now, there is an argument that a majority of people inside a state get to decide whether or not the federal government can make a law over them or not. That's not an argument that state's have rights.

That only works with initiatives/referendums. Otherwise the people of the state are represented by people they vote in, and what those people do is governed by the state constitution. State rights exist in the sense that both the national government and state governments get certain amounts of power. So, yes, there are "state rights."
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« Reply #335 on Apr 23, 2009, 9:52pm »

Apr 23, 2009, 9:46pm, devilschaplain2 wrote:

Apr 23, 2009, 9:40pm, ltfred wrote:


You prosecute the people who run it.

Yes, and the company loses money, and the owners face jail time :o Imagine that...


Not the people who own it, the people who run it. There's distinction here that I think you're missing.

And yes, the compeny would lose money. That would be an acceptable solution to the problem. So the corporation would be punished without actually being treated like a person. That would also make the preosectution much easier, since the corporation would not have the right to privacy, since it's not a person.
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« Reply #337 on Apr 23, 2009, 9:55pm »

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Not the people who own it, the people who run it. There's distinction here that I think you're missing.

Well, that would be the President & CEO of a company....
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« Reply #339 on Apr 23, 2009, 9:56pm »

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So the corporation would be punished without actually being treated like a person. That would also make the preosectution much easier, since the corporation would not have the right to privacy, since it's not a person.

But corporations are treated as a single entity, especially under environmental law. That's how corporations are treated as a "person", which isn't a bad thing.
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« Reply #340 on Apr 23, 2009, 10:00pm »
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« Reply #341 on Apr 23, 2009, 10:12pm »

Apr 23, 2009, 9:55pm, devilschaplain2 wrote:

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Not the people who own it, the people who run it. There's distinction here that I think you're missing.

Well, that would be the President & CEO of a company....


Sometimes majority or simply big shareholders can influence decision-making as well. That would be something for the courts to decide.

The problem is, currently CEOs have only an obligation to their shareholders and not to the law. The rule in practice makes corporate structure amoral.
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« Reply #342 on Apr 23, 2009, 10:16pm »

Apr 23, 2009, 9:56pm, devilschaplain2 wrote:

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So the corporation would be punished without actually being treated like a person. That would also make the preosectution much easier, since the corporation would not have the right to privacy, since it's not a person.

But corporations are treated as a single entity, especially under environmental law. That's how corporations are treated as a "person", which isn't a bad thing.


I know that's how they're treated. It would be prety hard for me to protest that fact without knowing it wouldn't it?

The problem is, corporations, beig treated as humans, have all the same rights as humans. Such as privacy. But the difference is, these 'humans' are both immortal and have much more money than normal humans and are interested only in profit.
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« Reply #343 on Apr 23, 2009, 10:16pm »

Apr 23, 2009, 10:12pm, ltfred wrote:

Apr 23, 2009, 9:55pm, devilschaplain2 wrote:

Well, that would be the President & CEO of a company....


Sometimes majority or simply big shareholders can influence decision-making as well. That would be something for the courts to decide.

The problem is, currently CEOs have only an obligation to their shareholders and not to the law. The rule in practice makes corporate structure amoral.

Amoral =/= Immoral

Amoral is neither moral nor immoral, so be careful of definitions.
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« Reply #344 on Apr 23, 2009, 10:18pm »
One of the problems I have with corporate law is that sure, you put the CEO, CFO, CIO, which ever into jail, but does it stop things?

If the corporation has a 'screw-em while you can' attitude, they'll tighten up what they expose to the outside world rather than change practices.

I think we have to get a lot nastier; freeze stock, major fines (and I mean major), stuff that will actually hurt the company.
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