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Post by Shane for Wax on Dec 22, 2011 22:12:52 GMT -5
By George I think he's got it! I fucking told you earlier the connection between Jesus and Horus and you tossed it to the side! And now you're telling me I didn't? TRUE TO CAESAR. I am done with you. Well, images of Jesus and Mary weren't really depicted until the late middle ages, so first one's off the roof. Your first link is just a refutation of arguments for a Jesus-Horus connection presented by a quack. Did you even read it? Did you? "In particular, the depictions of Mary and Jesus from Our Lady of Perpetual Help and the Black Madonna of Częstochowa share many similarities to extant ancient Egyptian art depictions of Horus and Isis." Egyptologist Erik Hornung wrote that "There was an obvious analogy between the Horus child and the baby Jesus and the care they received from their sacred mothers; long before Christianity, Isis had borne the epithet 'mother of the god.'" This is the result of early Christian exposure to Egyptian art. In a survey of "twenty leading Egyptologists" by Dr. W. Ward Gasque, a Christian scholar, found that all who responded recognised "that the image of the baby Horus and Isis has influenced the Christian iconography of Madonna and Child" but that there were no other similarities, e.g. no evidence that Horus was born of a virgin, had twelve followers, etc. Isis in the Ancient World by Reginald Eldred Witt. Ancient Egypt: The Light of the World
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Post by lexikon on Dec 22, 2011 22:15:58 GMT -5
Wrong article bro.
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Post by Shane for Wax on Dec 22, 2011 22:18:14 GMT -5
You said first link. That was my first link. Sorry, bro.
So let's recap:
1) you're terrible at sourcing 2) you're terrible at counting 3) You're terrible at reading. 4) You're terrible at arguing. 5) You are trying to say I didn't mention anything about Horus being Jesus when I clearly did.
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Post by ironbite on Dec 22, 2011 22:18:38 GMT -5
Translation: READING HURTS MY HEAD!
Ironbite-see how fucking annoying that is?
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Dec 22, 2011 22:18:42 GMT -5
Are you reading anything Shane is saying, or are you just blurting words in his general direction now?
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Post by lexikon on Dec 22, 2011 22:19:28 GMT -5
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Post by Shane for Wax on Dec 22, 2011 22:23:29 GMT -5
No... I'm pretty sure this was. It counts as a link, I do believe. Unless you have some weird logic to where Wiki doesn't count as a site.
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Post by lexikon on Dec 22, 2011 22:36:25 GMT -5
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Post by Shane for Wax on Dec 22, 2011 22:57:27 GMT -5
Except I was using my link to wikipedia as a stepping stone which you ignored. I wasn't even using the book as my gnosticism source. I was using it as the sun-centered mythology source. But I have others if you'd like? But I really doubt you'd read them. And if you did you'd fail at understanding like you're failing at understanding me. Also, if the first gnostics were pagan and hebrew would that not be a link/merge between Egyptian beliefs and Christianity? Or perhaps I'm way off base here. I'm not a scholar of this particular subject but I have dabbled in it. You seem to want to argue for the sake of arguing. Also, thanks for ignoring the rest.
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Post by lexikon on Dec 22, 2011 23:13:04 GMT -5
Except I was using my link to wikipedia as a stepping stone which you ignored. I wasn't even using the book as my gnosticism source. I was using it as the sun-centered mythology source. But I have others if you'd like? But I really doubt you'd read them. And if you did you'd fail at understanding like you're failing at understanding me. Also, if the first gnostics were pagan and hebrew would that not be a link/merge between Egyptian beliefs and Christianity? Or perhaps I'm way off base here. I'm not a scholar of this particular subject but I have dabbled in it. You seem to want to argue for the sake of arguing. Also, thanks for ignoring the rest. ...except 2 out of the 3 quotes you presented mentioned gnosticism and I meantioned gnosticism in my post. If Massey didn't meantion that in his book, then yeah I'd like to know where you got that information. We don't know much about Gnosticism but they definitely got ideas from Greek philosophy. I argue because I think you're wrong.
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Post by Shane for Wax on Dec 22, 2011 23:25:19 GMT -5
Well, I got the information in my last post from both the gnosticism entry on Wikipedia and the website that deals in giving a person information about gnosticism: gnosis.org
then there's: Gnosticism, Judaism, and Egyptian Christianity by Birger A. Pearson which came out in the last five years.
And you still have ignored the other stuff I was talking about. You seem to have totally given up the ghost about Horus which makes me think I caught you out on a fragile limb. Which again gives me evidence to arguing just to argue.
'we don't know much about gnosticism' but we sure have a shit load of papers on it just by me googling for gnosticism!
Like I said, not a scholar but I do know there are strong parallels between all of the sun god religions, even my own has similarities to Egyptian beliefs. Why? Cause the sun is God damn important! (no pun intended)
Yet you seem to be arguing this point for... some reason.
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Post by lexikon on Dec 22, 2011 23:42:13 GMT -5
Well, I got the information in my last post from both the gnosticism entry on Wikipedia and the website that deals in giving a person information about gnosticism: gnosis.org then there's: Gnosticism, Judaism, and Egyptian Christianity by Birger A. Pearson which came out in the last five years. KTHX What you started talking was about was how Gnosticism clung to Egyptian mythology like how it did with Hellenized Judaism and Greek philosophy, and turned the idea of Horus into the Jesus myths, and then managed to influence Christianity that way. Now what is there to argue? Isis is not a virgin, Jesus is not a sun god, icons of Mary and Jesus have nothing to do with the start of Christianity. So the Jesus-Horus paralles don't work, but I'd like to hear more about where you got the information about the Gnostic-Egyptian beliefs. Relatively speaking, of course.
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Post by Shane for Wax on Dec 23, 2011 0:05:43 GMT -5
God and Jesus are based on sun Gods. Jesus Christ. AVE TRUE TO CAESAR SON OF MARS!
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Post by lexikon on Dec 23, 2011 0:12:55 GMT -5
God and Jesus are based on sun Gods. Jesus Christ. That's what I meant to say. Which you haven't shown either. And Yahweh was based off a creator God, and maybe a war God and Storm God.
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Post by Miles, The Slightly Off on Dec 23, 2011 0:28:17 GMT -5
Lexi, now it just seems that you are blatantly ignoring what you are being told, from what I can see. You are simply continuing the argument because you find it entertaining, not because you feel that Shane is wrong. If that were the case, you would be doing more than just ignoring the arguments he presents. I could be wrong, of course, but that is simply the vibe I'm getting. Related: True to Caesar.
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