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Post by shriekback on May 28, 2009 23:29:52 GMT -5
Or so it seems. Why are so many Christians obsessed with these two issues and nothing else? Why do they seem to think the entire Bible all comes down to "Thou shalt not be a queer or have an abortion?" It's really annoying seeing Christians insist that their faith revolves entirely around these two things.
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Post by Magnizeal on May 28, 2009 23:39:07 GMT -5
Sexual control. With abortion and, usually, birth control, outlawed, sex has the chance of a child every time, and so people will be too busy caring for kids and birthing to really get an education, and they'll listen to what the church says. Also, they won't dare have sex as often, and so they'll be sexually frustrated but unable to really deal with it. That is basically the reasoning behind homosexuality, too, though that one also has the 'eww, icky!' factor going on.
Do most Christians realize that's where things come from? No, most are just listening to what their church says. But, that's what I think the real motivation is, at the headship level. Just not put so black and white...
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Post by devilschaplain2 on May 28, 2009 23:39:37 GMT -5
Three if you count evolution.
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Post by Hades on May 29, 2009 0:02:44 GMT -5
What Magnizeal and DevilsChaplain said.
Religious leaders have always been power hungry and willing to do anything to maintain that power. Why do you think they're always fighting true progress of the human race (any civil rights issue/scientific discovery)? Because they want to uphold gods perfect law? Hah, no way.
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Post by Tiger on May 29, 2009 0:10:28 GMT -5
Sexual control. With abortion and, usually, birth control, outlawed, sex has the chance of a child every time, and so people will be too busy caring for kids and birthing to really get an education, and they'll listen to what the church says. Also, they won't dare have sex as often, and so they'll be sexually frustrated but unable to really deal with it. That is basically the reasoning behind homosexuality, too, though that one also has the 'eww, icky!' factor going on. Do most Christians realize that's where things come from? No, most are just listening to what their church says. But, that's what I think the real motivation is, at the headship level. Just not put so black and white... Smells like a conspiracy theory to me. People just believe silly things. There's no reason to think that they're being intentionally misled by anyone. Abortion and homosexuality are just the two issues that have been catapulted to the forefront of the fundie consciousness by the culture war. |
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Post by Admiral Lithp on May 29, 2009 0:19:42 GMT -5
Sexual control. With abortion and, usually, birth control, outlawed, sex has the chance of a child every time, and so people will be too busy caring for kids and birthing to really get an education, and they'll listen to what the church says. Also, they won't dare have sex as often, and so they'll be sexually frustrated but unable to really deal with it. That is basically the reasoning behind homosexuality, too, though that one also has the 'eww, icky!' factor going on. Do most Christians realize that's where things come from? No, most are just listening to what their church says. But, that's what I think the real motivation is, at the headship level. Just not put so black and white... Smells like a conspiracy theory to me. People just believe silly things. There's no reason to think that they're being intentionally misled by anyone. Abortion and homosexuality are just the two issues that have been catapulted to the forefront of the fundie consciousness by the culture war. Agreed. Maybe back when the religion was first developed, but this is a little far-fetched, today. Rathaer on par with the gay agenda to destroy traditional marriage and convert children. No offense. Just calls 'em as I sees 'em. Just like a whale biologist. |
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Post by Magnizeal on May 29, 2009 1:39:28 GMT -5
Smells like a conspiracy theory to me. People just believe silly things. There's no reason to think that they're being intentionally misled by anyone. Abortion and homosexuality are just the two issues that have been catapulted to the forefront of the fundie consciousness by the culture war. Agreed. Maybe back when the religion was first developed, but this is a little far-fetched, today. Rathaer on par with the gay agenda to destroy traditional marriage and convert children. No offense. Just calls 'em as I sees 'em. Just like a whale biologist. Granted. But, because that's what was in effect when the religion was developed, then it still has effect. So, the core reason is the same, in my mind. Though, I do grant, almost no one living in the hierarchy would use my reasons... Hum, I guess I was going with the foundational reasons. The current reasons are more tradition and the unacknowledged instinct that they have to keep people pliant. |
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Post by malicious_bloke on May 29, 2009 6:37:20 GMT -5
Sexual control. With abortion and, usually, birth control, outlawed, sex has the chance of a child every time, and so people will be too busy caring for kids and birthing to really get an education, and they'll listen to what the church says. Also, they won't dare have sex as often, and so they'll be sexually frustrated but unable to really deal with it. That is basically the reasoning behind homosexuality, too, though that one also has the 'eww, icky!' factor going on. Do most Christians realize that's where things come from? No, most are just listening to what their church says. But, that's what I think the real motivation is, at the headship level. Just not put so black and white... Smells like a conspiracy theory to me. People just believe silly things. There's no reason to think that they're being intentionally misled by anyone. Abortion and homosexuality are just the two issues that have been catapulted to the forefront of the fundie consciousness by the culture war. Because it comes from the same people who spent a thousand years ensuring the bible was only available in a language spoken only by the priesthood, I think it's a fairly valid point |
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Post by antichrist on May 29, 2009 12:05:16 GMT -5
I disagree that this is extinct.
Sexual release is a very powerful thing in our lives. I know I become super-hag when I'm not getting any (which probably reduces my chances of getting any, but that's another story).
Have you seen these people at revivalist movements? They're pretty much orgasming to Jesus. You can't get people who are sexually content that excited about things.
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Post by Old Viking on May 29, 2009 15:15:34 GMT -5
They'll believe absolutely anything. And two concepts are about all that their tiny minds can cope with.
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Post by Admiral Lithp on May 29, 2009 21:20:45 GMT -5
Mag--yeah: Well then, I suppose I agree with you.
Antichrist: Oh, you most certainly can. Moreso if that's a message of hope. Even moreso if people are gullible. Basically, I just can't see higher-ups in a religious organization deliberately plotting to keep people chaste. Particularly because they don't get as much out of it as they used to, especially not Protestants.
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Post by Angel on May 30, 2009 17:44:41 GMT -5
Also, with homosexuality, straight Christians are more comfortable condemning this than say, gluttony, anger, gossip, greed or looking lustfully at members of the opposite sex, because it's something they don't have to deal with. They can feel all smug and self righteous when condemning gays, but they probably wouldn't feel so good condemning greedy people.
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Post by Admiral Lithp on May 30, 2009 17:53:34 GMT -5
Also, with homosexuality, straight Christians are more comfortable condemning this than say, gluttony, anger, gossip, greed or looking lustfully at members of the opposite sex, because it's something they don't have to deal with. They can feel all smug and self righteous when condemning gays, but they probably wouldn't feel so good condemning greedy people. This brings about something odd. They say they "can't rank sins," yet act like homosexuality is the worst of the worst. It continually amazes me that they've never even given thought to why they're the "deadly" sins: They're our most basic instincts. |
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Post by Patches on May 30, 2009 18:17:27 GMT -5
Fundamentalism: The paralyzing fear that someone, somewhere is enjoying themselves.
It's not like they're consciously thinking about it, but religious restrictions are all about control. Basically, they want people to believe that their religion is the ONLY way someone can feel fulfilled in their life. Therefore, anything enjoyable that is not directly related to the church (sex, dancing, music, literature, entertainment) is condemned. Because if people start having fun doing non-religious activities, there's a high probability that they'll become less interested in religion.
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Post by Jodie on May 30, 2009 20:11:51 GMT -5
I'm surprised that fundies don't rabidly support abortion rights on the grounds that it might prevent future homosexuals. (I support abortion rights because it might prevent future fundies!  ) |
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