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Post by antichrist on May 8, 2009 17:47:40 GMT -5
Ahhh,
but Paul trumps Jesus.
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Post by delirium on May 8, 2009 17:54:53 GMT -5
Why are you so eager for the end of the world to come? Does your life suck so much that billions of people need to die and the Earth needs to be destroyed just so you can be happy? How can you possibly live like that?
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Post by Hades on May 8, 2009 18:52:35 GMT -5
Of course. Shellfish wasn't permitted under Leviticus. Those are the OT laws, we do not live under OT laws, we live in the age of grace and have since the resurrection. Christ did away with many of the old laws. It should also be mentioned that they didn't have refrigeration in those days and eating shellfish shipped over great distances was a risky proposition. O'Reilly? Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. My question to funditards: Why the hell don't you actually read the bible instead of just thumping people over the head with it? They would probably say you can't interpret it correctly without the holy spirit or some apologetic shit like that. Or just say it's out of context and cover their ears going "LALALALALALA", blocking any retort.
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Post by Dr. Waldorf X on May 9, 2009 0:48:09 GMT -5
Anyone else notice that Fundies have a tendency to say that Jesus nullified Leviticus, but still quote it when it suits their needs?
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Post by carole on May 9, 2009 18:51:05 GMT -5
Anyone else notice that Fundies have a tendency to say that Jesus nullified Leviticus, but still quote it when it suits their needs? Fundies will tell you that Jesus nullified all the laws of the old testament. But as you said they will still quote them when it suits their needs. Especially the big ten that they want posted in every public building in the country.
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Post by Hades on May 10, 2009 7:44:01 GMT -5
I finally thought of another question - Why do you hate the idea that we evolved from lower species? Why do you NEED to believe that we're the special creation, created in the image of the supreme entity of the universe?
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Post by peanutfan on May 10, 2009 12:41:23 GMT -5
O'Reilly? Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. My question to funditards: Why the hell don't you actually read the bible instead of just thumping people over the head with it? They would probably say you can't interpret it correctly without the holy spirit or some apologetic shit like that. Or just say it's out of context and cover their ears going "LALALALALALA", blocking any retort. I've had both happen with the same fundie. Last time we discussed Christianity, I pointed out some things Jesus predicted that hadn't come true (returning before that generation had passed, for instance) and he claimed that the Bible said that John the Revelator was taken up into Heaven without dying (three guesses as to the accuracy of that claim). I also pointed out some morally-ambiguous things that Jesus said or endorsed, and he said that I didn't know how to read between the lines. Three sentences later, he said that Christianity was simple to understand, to which I replied, "If it was simple, I wouldn't have to read between the lines."
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Post by Yahweh on May 24, 2009 15:03:42 GMT -5
So questions I would ask:
I'm not a member of your religion, do you believe your religious rules apply to me? If so, why?
Why does God object to homosexuality?
Is there are moral difference between animal suffering and human suffering?
There are many disagreements on how to please God. If two people have the same amount of faith in their God, but believe God wants different things, how can we determine who is correct?
Following from above, let's say you meet a person, Bob, who holds a religious belief that you strongly disapprove of (perhaps Bob believes that God commands him to commit acts of terrorism against our troops). You cannot persuade Bob that he believes in the wrong God or that his God does not exist, and it is simply unthinkable that you can persuade Bob to disobey what he has been commanded. What rational thing can you say to Bob to persuade him to change his behavior?
Why doesn't God just incarnate souls into Heaven directly? For that matter, why not just obliterate the devil? God has it in his capacity to save every soul from torment, why doesn't he?
Does God disapprove of rape because it is wrong, or is rape wrong because God disapproves of it?
God can will that abortion is immoral and it is so. I can will that abortion is moral, and presumably my will has no moral consequence. What makes Gods will fundamentally different from my own? Why is God's will morally binding when my equal and opposite will is not?
Allan Glenn was the founder of FSTDT. He was an extremely decent person, but born with cystic fibrosis, and eventually died from his illness in 2005. Is Allan being tortured in Hell?
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Post by Old Viking on May 24, 2009 16:04:15 GMT -5
Did you know that your fly is open?
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Post by Sigmaleph on May 24, 2009 19:42:40 GMT -5
The contrast between the last two posts has me giggling. Exalt to both of you, when I can.
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Post by Vene on May 26, 2009 12:03:47 GMT -5
I wanna know why they run away from an actual discussion
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Post by incognito on May 26, 2009 14:29:13 GMT -5
I wanna know why they run away from an actual discussion I think i could answer that: 1. They dont agree with you. 2. that means you dont agree with the bible. 3. That also means that you are wrong. 4. 5. Antichrist and demon worshipping atheist (lulz) That is the feeling i get when i read their stuff. sorry if you wanted a more serious answer.
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Post by peanutfan on May 26, 2009 14:59:08 GMT -5
Here's mine. Why do you refuse to educate yourself on the language and culture the original Biblical texts were written in? Wouldn't such understanding enable you to better understand the Bible? And as a corollary to that... Were you aware that the "Red Sea parting" was the result of a mistranslation of the Hebrew phrase "Yam Suph", meaning "Reed sea" or "sea of reeds"? I've asked these questions to the fundie who inspired my thread on whether fundies and non-fundies could be friends; his response was that he didn't need such education to understand the Bible perfectly well; his response to my corollary question was that I was wrong because the Bible has never been mistranslated. Edit: More amusingly, I was once in a chatroom where a fundie claimed with complete seriousness that the Bible was originally written in English, which was the language God spoke. I still haven't been able to figure out if that guy was a Poe or not. Any ex-fundies want to give mine a shot?
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Post by Maryland Bear on May 28, 2009 6:28:03 GMT -5
Are you aware that: - Martin Luther (the Protestant Reformation guy, not Martin Luther King) and other early Church fathers opposed including Revelation as a canonical book of the Bible?
- when it was decided Revelation would be included in the Bible, it was with the agreement that it would not be taught as prophecy?
- the very idea of a "rapture" is a relatively recent edition to Christian beliefs, probably under 300 years old, and a pre-Millenial rapture is an even newer idea?
- the "John" that wrote Revelation was probably not the John who wrote the Gospel According to John? (one wrote in excellent Greek, the other wrote rather poor Greek)
- belief in the rapture is not a common Christian belief? Most churches don't teach it, and even among those that do teach it, its not to the point of obsession.
- its the Book of Revelation, not Revelations? (Actually, a lot of the RR crowd probably does know that. But its a very common mistake.)
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Post by malicious_bloke on May 28, 2009 7:41:13 GMT -5
Basically, since the rapture is basically a bunch of crypto-jesusites Emoragequitting the universe, my question would be:
"After the rapture, can I have ur stuff?"
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