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Post by RavynousHunter on Oct 10, 2011 2:44:09 GMT -5
Australia's minimum wage is higher. AUD15.51 (USD15.25) per hour or AUD18.77 (USD18.45) per hour for casual employees. Yeah, but, when it comes time for Santa to rain down video games, they typically get chosen last, and the guv'mint scoops em up and gives ya the ones they think are okay. Unless you import, which just adds another headache on top of an already-existing headache. |
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Post by Haseen on Oct 10, 2011 3:07:00 GMT -5
Yeah, the video game thing alone is reason enough not to want to move to Australia. Also the fact that just about everything there wants to (and can) kill you.
Also, @malicious bloke:
When did you graduate? There's a big difference between graduating 5 years ago and now, because of the shitty economy and "need work experience" catch-22.
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Post by RavynousHunter on Oct 10, 2011 3:20:08 GMT -5
Or the "overqualification" bullshit. Motherfucker, if I'm applying to [insert shitty, menial job here], IT MEANS I WANT THE FUCKING JOB. I don't give a flying motherfuck what I'm "qualified" for, I want the god damned job. You don't think that, if I could get a job in my preferred field, I motherfucking would?
Also, if I'm the most qualified person for the fucking job, HIRE ME, YOU CENTIPEDE-FILLED CUNT. I'll demand no more or less pay than any other starting peon. I swear, I hear that line one more time, I'm burning the fucking building of the fucknut who said it to the god damned ground, and pissing on the ashes.
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Post by priestling on Oct 10, 2011 3:27:42 GMT -5
Mind if I join you? between 'overqualified', 'underqualified' (did you MISS where I said I'd love to learn?) or 'experience' (if you'd hire me, maybe I'd HAVE IT!), it's a wonder ANY OF US have jobs...
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Post by dasfuchs on Oct 10, 2011 6:30:39 GMT -5
Just be careful, if you put forth a lot of effort you'll get raises and promotions to reward you for a good job. But if you go too high, you'll get fired so they can hire someone cheaper. Likewise if you stop putting forth effort they'll fire you for job performance issues. Isn't America grand
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Post by Mantorok on Oct 10, 2011 7:15:35 GMT -5
Yeah, but, when it comes time for Santa to rain down video games, they typically get chosen last, and the guv'mint scoops em up and gives ya the ones they think are okay. Unless you import, which just adds another headache on top of an already-existing headache. If you're comparing against Japan though, you'd have to import all your games if you want them in English. |
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Post by Vermicious Knid on Oct 10, 2011 7:47:39 GMT -5
Mind if I join you? between 'overqualified', 'underqualified' (did you MISS where I said I'd love to learn?) or 'experience' (if you'd hire me, maybe I'd HAVE IT!), it's a wonder ANY OF US have jobs... I learned during my last run of unemployment and job searching that "overqualified" almost always means "you're too old" or "we can find someone who will work for peanuts as opposed to the living wage you stated as your salary requirements." Another favorite is "while you are extremely qualified, we have decided to select a different candidate," which is corporate-speak for "fuck off, we already knew we were going to hire someone who already works here and have them do both this and their own job, we just put out a want ad to satisfy some bullshit HR policy that pays lip service to the whole 'equal opportunity' thing." |
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Post by the sandman on Oct 10, 2011 7:52:55 GMT -5
Or the "overqualification" bullshit. Motherfucker, if I'm applying to [insert shitty, menial job here], IT MEANS I WANT THE FUCKING JOB. I don't give a flying motherfuck what I'm "qualified" for, I want the god damned job. You don't think that, if I could get a job in my preferred field, I motherfucking would?Also, if I'm the most qualified person for the fucking job, HIRE ME, YOU CENTIPEDE-FILLED CUNT. I'll demand no more or less pay than any other starting peon. I swear, I hear that line one more time, I'm burning the fucking building of the fucknut who said it to the god damned ground, and pissing on the ashes. Totally agree with you, man, but from the hiring company's point of view, an "overqualified" person is a bad risk to hire. They think you will just keep looking for a job you are qualified for and quit the second you find one, therefore (in their view) wasting all the time and effort they spent training you and put them right back where they started. it seems stupid, but for a lot of jobs in the world, the HR department actually prefers you to be a bit underqualified. That way they can be fairly certain you will not be upwardly mobile and can be trusted to sit in your position for many years to come. Employers like employees who have no options. I'm just curious, if you got this job you are overqualified for, and you did find a position in your field, would you quit to take the new job? I sure as hell would. I think pretty much all of us would. Hell, the HR guy who told you you were overqualified would, too. But that doesn't help those of us stuck in unemployment land who just need a goddamn job. ANY job. I'll tell you what REALLY pisses me off. The asinine trend employers have going right now where they give hiring preference to people who ALREADY HAVE JOBS. That......well, that just makes me rage. |
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Post by N. De Plume on Oct 10, 2011 8:07:15 GMT -5
Totally agree with you, man, but from the hiring company's point of view, an "overqualified" person is a bad risk to hire. They think you will just keep looking for a job you are qualified for and quit the second you find one, therefore (in their view) wasting all the time and effort they spent training you and put them right back where they started. The problem is when they pull this shit on a job they damn well know has a high turnover no matter who is hired to begin with. It's like they have blinders on to the fact that the job they need filled simply sucks no matter what. I just gotta say I'm glad that most of the suckier jobs I've had in the past have been through employers that actually knew where these jobs were in the grand scheme of things. They had no problem with my aspirations for an actual career in other fields. Unfortunately, those aspirations haven't turned out very well. |
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Post by Vermicious Knid on Oct 10, 2011 9:31:22 GMT -5
When I was job hunting, the moment the interviewer said "we're also considering internal candidates," I knew I'd be getting a rejection letter soon. Because as I said above, they'd give that person the new position plus expect them to still do their old one, thus eliminating the need to hire anyone new. So yeah, that puts me in a rage coma as well.
I get it, it makes sense to give a position to someone who already knows the organization pretty well and has already proven that they're an asset. I guy I used to work with who had the duty of filling positions said he hated waiting through months of public job postings, interviews, second interviews, etc. when he knew from the very beginning who he wanted for the job, and that person was the one who ended up getting it anyway. That might be a mere inconvenience when times are good, but when unemployment is at 9.1% (10% back when I was looking), teasing the unemployed with a job they had not shot at is just cruel.
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Post by Aqualung on Oct 10, 2011 9:51:14 GMT -5
No one wants to train anyone anymore either. It's like they all expect the person they hire to automatically know everything about the job and spend minimal time training them, and then treat you like shit if you don't know how to do something. Four years ago when I was unemployed one HR person told me, "In this economy I can get whatever I want!" The funny thing is, a couple years ago that store got bought out by the company I used to work for; I'll bet she doesn't even work there anymore! ;D Anyway, I saw this yesterday: Unemployed seek protection against job biasYES!!!!! Of course, most of the comments are all, Huuurrrrrrr yous all unemployed is your own fault!!11  |
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Post by Vene on Oct 10, 2011 9:52:25 GMT -5
Mind if I join you? between 'overqualified', 'underqualified' (did you MISS where I said I'd love to learn?) or 'experience' (if you'd hire me, maybe I'd HAVE IT!), it's a wonder ANY OF US have jobs... I learned during my last run of unemployment and job searching that "overqualified" almost always means "you're too old" or "we can find someone who will work for peanuts as opposed to the living wage you stated as your salary requirements." Another favorite is "while you are extremely qualified, we have decided to select a different candidate," which is corporate-speak for "fuck off, we already knew we were going to hire someone who already works here and have them do both this and their own job, we just put out a want ad to satisfy some bullshit HR policy that pays lip service to the whole 'equal opportunity' thing." Overqualified does tend to mean that, but us young folk have also heard it. Ravy is in his 20's, if I remember, so I doubt it's because he is too old. I also didn't get my last job for being overqualified, but it was either me with a degree or some dumbass who already worked for the company. They took their chances with me, and 6 months later I quit, because fuck them. I'm going to have to be extremely careful taking a job that I may be overqualified for again, and not just because I think that company is responsible for my shoulder getting fucked up (and no worker's comp because even though I told my manager it was never reported and there wasn't an incident that lead to it. I was just sore after coming home some shift, then I was better the next morning, until the day I wasn't better the next morning but by that point I had already quit). |
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Post by Vermicious Knid on Oct 10, 2011 10:08:31 GMT -5
Well, it means "too old," but it also means "expects a competitive wage." Knowing the average pay for a position in a particular area can be written off as being overqualified when a company plans to pay far less than that because they can. I'm willing to bet that the number of "overqualified" individuals is FAR lower in a more prosperous economy than it is when six hundred people, each more anxious to be working than the last, are competing for one job.
And ouch, I'm sorry to hear about your shoulder! I don't know how long ago it was, but I hope it has gotten better.
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Post by N. De Plume on Oct 10, 2011 11:01:32 GMT -5
Just going back to the “Hard Work” thing, cause it bugs me that much:
What really bothers me about that attitude is the monumental arrogance it takes to deny that there are outside factors that affect the outcome of one’s hard work. These people are blind to just how much blind luck leads to them doing their hard work in the right place at the right time. They have no gratitude for any of the people that in some way or another contributed their success, whether it is loved ones offering support, the employees that worked for them, or even their own damn customers. Hell, they don’t even recognize that it goes the other way; hard work is often for naught when one has to deal with a string of bad luck or a host of folks trying to hold you back so they themselves can get ahead. No, there seems to be this underlying attitude that success entails being the total master of one’s environment and that absolutely nothing one does could possibly be affected by the environment.
Now, I ask: Who really has that kind of superhuman power?
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Post by Vene on Oct 10, 2011 11:05:03 GMT -5
Well, it means "too old," but it also means "expects a competitive wage." Knowing the average pay for a position in a particular area can be written off as being overqualified when a company plans to pay far less than that because they can. I'm willing to bet that the number of "overqualified" individuals is FAR lower in a more prosperous economy than it is when six hundred people, each more anxious to be working than the last, are competing for one job. I do not doubt any of this. I quit the job at the start of May, but it's not fully healed yet. I think it's a tendon issue. What sucks is that it seems fine for a while, but then something happens and it fucking hurts, to the point where I can't lift my arm up without the pain stopping me. |
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