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Post by Aqualung on May 6, 2009 14:24:41 GMT -5
Stories like these make me wonder WTF is wrong with people. Just these stories?  |
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Post by Aqualung on May 6, 2009 14:25:29 GMT -5
Don't most hospitals have it that within X months (one state I think has until the kid is 18) you can drop the kid off and it'll get adopted out? I mean, really, if you can't take care of the kid at least donate it to people who want one. I think that was Nebraska, and they overturned it not long ago. Let me see if I can find it.... Edit: Yep. Here: www.cnn.com/2008/US/11/19/nebraska.safe.haven/www.mccookgazette.com/story/1535714.html |
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Post by The_L on May 6, 2009 14:25:57 GMT -5
The radio's picked this one up. They've pointed out something unsettling about the victim's mother:
She had requested an order of protection against this scumbag--then didn't show up on her appointed court date. A few days later, dead baby.
I'm sorry, but if you're a mother, your child's well-being should be your primary concern. If someone is a threat to your child's safety, you must do whatever you can to minimize that threat.
In short, he's a disgusting, abusive asshole who deserves just about any punishment you can name; she's a lazy moron; and a child, barely four months old, is dead.
Also, what is it with Florida and child murder recently? We've got Casey Anthony, the nutcase who killed his wife and two of his three kids, and now we've got the fucker who tossed his girlfriend's son from a moving car.
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Post by Einherjer on May 6, 2009 14:38:07 GMT -5
This makes me sick...
What makes me more sick, is that you think restraining orders do much of anything, The_L. Anybody who would have the ability to do something like this wouldn't be stopped by a piece of paper like a restraining order.
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Post by Art Vandelay on May 6, 2009 17:30:11 GMT -5
As I always say, The holocaust: right idea, wrong target.
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Post by ironbite on May 7, 2009 0:31:06 GMT -5
It does say something, doesn't it? It definitely says something when people who pimped women, or were druglords, or extremely violent gang members find out what you did and say, "YOU SICK FUCK. LET'S BEAT HIM SENSELESS. CADDY, HAND ME MY SEVEN IRON." And yes, kid-killers and kid-fiddlers are considered 'high-risk' inmates and are isolated for their own safety. They end up killed or worse if the others find out what they did. It still must be AWFULLY tempting for prison guards not to, say, go off for a cup of coffee and leave a three-minute window for other people to kick the shit out of them. What makes you think they don't do that? |
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Post by The_L on May 7, 2009 10:13:50 GMT -5
It does say something, doesn't it? It definitely says something when people who pimped women, or were druglords, or extremely violent gang members find out what you did and say, "YOU SICK FUCK. LET'S BEAT HIM SENSELESS. CADDY, HAND ME MY SEVEN IRON." And yes, kid-killers and kid-fiddlers are considered 'high-risk' inmates and are isolated for their own safety. They end up killed or worse if the others find out what they did. It still must be AWFULLY tempting for prison guards not to, say, go off for a cup of coffee and leave a three-minute window for other people to kick the shit out of them. What makes you think they don't do that? I have the urge to start a dead pool, but that would be disrespectful to the baby. And re: the restraining order. If you can't even make a token effort to protect your child--especially after the guy verbally, explicitly threatened the baby's life--I'm sorry, but you're not the best parent out there. If she'd had the restraining order properly filed, then she'd have simply been able to call the cops when he got in range, and the baby might still be alive. I'm not saying that she's to blame for her son's death--the douchebag who threw a baby out his car window is. But you still can't just do nothing about a very real threat, and then expect things to turn out for the best. |
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Post by Akage on May 7, 2009 10:23:03 GMT -5
Restraining orders do nothing. Unless she had a special alarm set to go off as soon as he came within the allotted distance of her, calling the cops would have had very little impact with/without a restraining order. She should call the cops regardless, and I bet they'd arrive in the same amount of time.
If they were to catch the guy, he would have been in more trouble had she filed the restraining order. That's about all it would have done, in this situation. He clearly wasn't worried about getting in trouble and taking a human life. Why should a piece of paper stop him?
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Post by Caitshidhe on May 7, 2009 10:45:20 GMT -5
I'm not blaming the victim and I'm certainly not holding her accountable for her son's death--and I know very well that a bit of paper wouldn't have deterred this man from doing what he did. Restraining orders can be pretty well useless, particularly with the right kind of people. Like this guy. But she didn't even go and TRY to keep him away. I really wonder if she didn't even KNOW he would've ignored the restraining order, if she didn't go at all to court because he was laying off and stepping back and she thought that maybe he'd just leave her alone? I have no idea.
Okay, that was a little disorganized. I agree that it seems more than a little bizarre that this woman wouldn't have done something in an effort to keep this guy away from her son--though I don't know that she did NOTHING. (For all we know, she could've been trying to get a gun or arranging to leave the area--something a little more sturdy than a piece of paper saying, "STAY BACK!") But in the long run, having a restraining order against THIS GUY probably wouldn't have done anything.
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Post by Akage on May 7, 2009 11:02:49 GMT -5
I agree that she should have taken more efforts to keep him away, but I also don't think restraining orders help in many situations. Especially this one. That was all I was saying.
Just because she missed her court date doesn't mean she should be partially responsible. Who knows what she had going on that day? Or perhaps she thought that his advances had stopped-- we just don't know enough to say one way or the other. Either way though, I don't think the mother should be blamed for this.
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Post by ausador on May 7, 2009 11:19:06 GMT -5
Well the guy has a long history of abusing past girlfriends including this one. Apparently he really severely beat her three years ago and put her into the hospital. From what I have read they weren't even together anytime recently, he simply sought her out for revenge over the court date (which they both failed to show up for). The guy has been in and out of jail and has a long record, he also already had a warrant out for his arrest on another charge. It looks as though he scared the shit out of all his girlfriends because although he has had numerous arrests for the assualts none of them ever went to court against him, NONE.
At least to me I think this is the kind of person that they knew that going to the law about him would end up with them being killed by him. As others have said I don't think a restraining order would have phazed him at all, just pissed him off even more, she would probably be dead now too.
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Post by Caitshidhe on May 7, 2009 12:08:22 GMT -5
I agree that she should have taken more efforts to keep him away, but I also don't think restraining orders help in many situations. Especially this one. That was all I was saying. Just because she missed her court date doesn't mean she should be partially responsible. Who knows what she had going on that day? Or perhaps she thought that his advances had stopped-- we just don't know enough to say one way or the other. Either way though, I don't think the mother should be blamed for this. Oh, I agree completely. That's exactly what I was saying, only you used far fewer words. (DAMNED VERBOSENESS.) She's not at fault IN THE LEAST here, and a restraining order wouldn't've helped her, but that doesn't stop me wondering why she didn't go. |
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Post by Jodie on May 7, 2009 13:51:51 GMT -5
Oh, I agree completely. That's exactly what I was saying, only you used far fewer words. (DAMNED VERBOSENESS.) She's not at fault IN THE LEAST here, and a restraining order wouldn't've helped her, but that doesn't stop me wondering why she didn't go. Um, fear? She would have had to face the man who abused her again and considering his record of violence, she was probably scared shitless of him. What if he attacked her outside of the courtroom in the parking lot? She is a victim of abuse and was likely paralyzed with fear. For that I think she deserves no blame. |
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