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Post by Ranger Joe on Nov 29, 2011 0:33:32 GMT -5
I am a fan of hallucinogens and marijuana. I will state right off though...I like the high from weed. I also use it to treat the anxiety from my PTSD. I feel it should be legalized, but I may be a touch biased.
Honestly, when I've tripped (on LSD, Mescaline, Mushrooms, etc) I have actually had some break through moments with my PTSD. I'm not going to suggest that people who have trauma issues go off and trip their balls off because it doesn't effect everyone the same.
The illegality is a pain in the ass. I would much rather be able to get it with no risk of jailtime, but honestly...the laws aren't going to stop me from doing it. Pretty much like they don't stop anyone who really wants to do it. I just have to make sure I minimalize my risk of getting caught. (Don't drive with it on you, don't drive under the influence, only work with people you trust, etc)
I fully support experimentation and have been a "spotter" for plenty of friends who wanted to try it for the first time in a safe environment.
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Post by Haseen on Nov 29, 2011 1:20:05 GMT -5
The freedom argument (that what an individual willfully does to his/her own body is nobody's business but their own) is as much as any reasonable person should need to support legalization. I don't accept this. One person's actions affect other people, because of this I do have an interest in what you do to yourself. How could someone getting stoned without violating any other laws possibly affect your life enough to justify a law against it? Every single time I've ever heard the "it IS my business" argument, it always involves some situation where someone violates all manner of non drug laws (so they would be a criminal anyways) in addition to drugs.
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Post by Vene on Nov 29, 2011 1:24:12 GMT -5
I don't accept this. One person's actions affect other people, because of this I do have an interest in what you do to yourself. How could someone getting stoned without violating any other laws possibly affect your life enough to justify a law against it? Every single time I've ever heard the "it IS my business" argument, it always involves some situation where someone violates all manner of non drug laws (so they would be a criminal anyways) in addition to drugs. Let's put it this way. If the rate of burglary is 10% higher with marijuana legal than with it illegal*, then I have good cause for making marijuana illegal. If it increases the chances for somebody to do something destructive, then I do have an interest in your drug use. *Number pulled from my ass for the purposes of a hypothetical
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Post by big_electron on Nov 29, 2011 2:07:26 GMT -5
Let's put it this way. If the rate of burglary is 10% higher with marijuana legal than with it illegal*, then I have good cause for making marijuana illegal. If it increases the chances for somebody to do something destructive, then I do have an interest in your drug use. *Number pulled from my ass for the purposes of a hypothetical Not that I agree or disagree, but this argument will arise if and when the day comes for congress to debate its legalization. The argument of what one person does affecting others, is the reason for seat belt use being mandatory. The same argument is used to tell people not to drive drunk, or go to work drunk, and the same should be true for marijuana.
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Post by nightangel1282 on Nov 29, 2011 2:26:24 GMT -5
....The closest thing to destructive activity that marijuanna has encouraged me to do is to get off my lazy butt and fight my way through the efforts of making a sandwich. That and giggling at nothing.... Meh, I'm a toker. No plans on changing that any time soon.
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Post by salt on Nov 29, 2011 12:14:03 GMT -5
I woulldn't try it myself but I'm for Marijuana legalization.
Studies have constantly shown that alcohol is worse than Marijuana and we waste too much tax money on geting rid of this stuff.
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Post by nightangel1282 on Nov 29, 2011 13:37:24 GMT -5
Gah! Don't get me started on alcohol. >.<
Between my sister and just the way alcohol affects me, I'll stick with the bud.
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Post by Rat Of Steel on Nov 29, 2011 17:23:33 GMT -5
Hey, nightangel. Do me a favor: next time you get yourself thoroughly stoned, take a good, long look at this picture, then tell us all about it. ;D
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Post by Admiral Lithp on Nov 29, 2011 18:51:23 GMT -5
Since when does marijuana increase creativity? I've heard that of LSD, but that doesn't "increase creativity" so much as connect neurons that have no business being connected.
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Post by Tenfold_Maquette on Nov 29, 2011 20:21:31 GMT -5
Tried it, freaked the fuck out because my douchbag friend decided it would be funny to have me try a couple joints, a pipe, and a hookah of the shit all in the space of a few hours. Right before everything slid into nightmare land the high was...not awesome, but enjoyable.
I wish they'd decriminalize it already. I honestly see it on par with alcohol (at the worst) for overall detrimental effect and I'm kinda ticked that it's classified as it is for no real medical reason. Plus I think it'd let us make some room in our prisons for the more serious offenders that, y'know, might have seriously earned their time behind bars.
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Post by nightangel1282 on Nov 29, 2011 23:04:47 GMT -5
Hey, nightangel. Do me a favor: next time you get yourself thoroughly stoned, take a good, long look at this picture, then tell us all about it. ;D Holy shit, I'm tripping balls... ;D ;D
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Post by Haseen on Nov 30, 2011 1:14:32 GMT -5
How could someone getting stoned without violating any other laws possibly affect your life enough to justify a law against it? Every single time I've ever heard the "it IS my business" argument, it always involves some situation where someone violates all manner of non drug laws (so they would be a criminal anyways) in addition to drugs. Let's put it this way. If the rate of burglary is 10% higher with marijuana legal than with it illegal*, then I have good cause for making marijuana illegal. If it increases the chances for somebody to do something destructive, then I do have an interest in your drug use. *Number pulled from my ass for the purposes of a hypothetical If banning red hats, for whatever convoluted reason, reduced a type of crime 10%, would you support their ban?
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Post by Vene on Nov 30, 2011 11:01:16 GMT -5
Let's put it this way. If the rate of burglary is 10% higher with marijuana legal than with it illegal*, then I have good cause for making marijuana illegal. If it increases the chances for somebody to do something destructive, then I do have an interest in your drug use. *Number pulled from my ass for the purposes of a hypothetical If banning red hats, for whatever convoluted reason, reduced a type of crime 10%, would you support their ban? It would be a logical argument in support of the ban, excluding other potential factors. Also, I love how you think I'm taking any sort of stance aside from "use good arguments." I actually lean towards legalization; if your arguments don't convince me, then how likely are they to convince somebody who is adamantly against drug legalization?
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Post by vesus on Nov 30, 2011 11:49:00 GMT -5
If you think that drugs should be illegal based on the idea that their use may lead to unwanted behaviors, then you better make the same argument for alcohol. There is no question that alcohol intoxication leads to poor decision making.
Basically, if you think marijuana should be illegal, you also think alcohol should be illegal. There is not a single, sensible argument that alcohol should be legal but marijuana shouldn't.
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Post by big_electron on Nov 30, 2011 11:57:00 GMT -5
Vene: I had a feeling you were just being the devil's advocate. I'm glad you brought up the argument of one person's actions affecting others, because it WILL come up when the time comes for Congress to debate the issue.
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