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Post by Dragon Zachski on Dec 22, 2011 3:03:56 GMT -5
So a kid waving around his pizza results in stern punishment, yet endlessly bullying someone to the point where they're suicidal barely gets a slap on the wrist. Christ, zero tolerance is so backward. That's because its true purpose has never been to quash bullying. Giving the victim at least as much punishment as the bully when the victim finally fights back is meant to instill the lesson that is the true purpose of modern "anti-bullying" measures: when someone more powerful than you exerts his or her authority over you (deservedly or otherwise), do not protest or offer any measure of resistance, but simply roll over and bare your neck in humble acquiescence. Apparently, that's what seems to be the case...
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Post by Haseen on Dec 22, 2011 5:14:45 GMT -5
I'm glad I didn't go through modern day grade school, because I'd have been in serious trouble for pointing my finger like a gun in play battles.
CSB, in high school, I had to show a teacher the mangled corpse of the capri sun I had just popped to prove it wasn't a cherry bomb. And yes, they really are that loud if you pop 'em the right way.
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Post by itachirumon on Dec 22, 2011 8:07:22 GMT -5
I remember one time in 8th I tossed something in the trash and out of nowhere was accosted not 5 minutes later by some teacher claiming I was throwing my trash on the ground. She REFUSED to believe when I said I didn't (the usual "YES YOU DID, I SAW YOU HAHA"), and if I'd missed the trash that I'd gone over and picked it up and thrown it away. Wound up that the principal happened to walk by and ask what was happening because I stood my ground and refused to go with her (I think she was about to grab my arm or maybe bring someone else in there or something). She said I was throwing trash and I said I wasn't, principal (who was actually an asshole himself but that's another story) believed me, told her to stand down.
She gives me this look that could kill/like I was human garbage and snapped "Don't throw trash" before walking away.
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Post by Tenfold_Maquette on Dec 22, 2011 8:56:55 GMT -5
I can't quite figure out how you're supposed to be able to hurt someone with a slice of pizza.
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Post by DarkfireTaimatsu on Dec 22, 2011 9:03:41 GMT -5
I can't quite figure out how you're supposed to be able to hurt someone with a slice of pizza. Hey, man, they don't call it a slice of pizza for nothing!
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Post by Mlle Antéchrist on Dec 22, 2011 9:05:45 GMT -5
That's because its true purpose has never been to quash bullying Of course. Zero tolerance in schools exists for essentially the same purpose as the TSA: To cultivate the appearance of being proactive without actually exerting the effort needed to sort out the real problems.
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Post by The_L on Dec 22, 2011 9:39:57 GMT -5
EVERYBODY BACK OFF!! I'VE GOT LUNCH AND I'M NOT AFRAID TO USE IT!
How on earth does a slice of pizza in any way look like a gun? Pizza is made of brownish crust, red sauce, whitish cheese, and toppings which tend to be rather colorful. Guns are made of metal (with other materials as handles and/or casing) and the barrels are unmistakably black or gray. For a piece of pizza--even a vaguely gun-shaped piece of pizza--to be mistaken for an actual gun would require that cafeteria to be unusually dark.
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Post by dasfuchs on Dec 22, 2011 11:37:26 GMT -5
Ya know, I can kinda see the school's side on this. Say this kid grows older, though it could happen any time, and somehow injures horribly/kills someone through a violent act. People will latch on to rumors and stories about things like this if they hadn't been acted on and demand the heads of the school faculty for "not stopping his downward spiral" or some such bullshit, just like they do every time one of those tragedies happens. I'd say this isn't so much "the school staff are pansies" as it is "People over react and blame everyone and everything except the culprit"
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Post by itachirumon on Dec 22, 2011 11:54:35 GMT -5
So clearly the response is to overreact in the opposite direction. Because that solves everything once and for all. Bu- ONCE AND FOR ALL!!!!
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Post by dasfuchs on Dec 22, 2011 12:08:15 GMT -5
So clearly the response is to overreact in the opposite direction. Because that solves everything once and for all. Bu- ONCE AND FOR ALL!!!!It might be seen as that...it might also be the faculty trying to save their ass should things go south further on in life. After all, someone picks up on this and it turns into "Look, he showed violent tendencies in school and no one stopped him!!!" and then everyone's ready to hang the school by it's neck
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Post by ironbite on Dec 22, 2011 13:37:46 GMT -5
To be fair he was probably weilding this Which is as deadly a weapon as I've ever seen, especially whittled down to a gun shape. And of course as everyone knows, once you've whittled down barely edible pizza into a gun, it becomes a gun and you will then be able to shoot grease bullets at people, giving them fatal heart attacks. Ironbite-....wait what?
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Post by Yla on Dec 22, 2011 13:43:12 GMT -5
It might be seen as that...it might also be the faculty trying to save their ass should things go south further on in life. After all, someone picks up on this and it turns into "Look, he showed violent tendencies in school and no one stopped him!!!" and then everyone's ready to hang the school by it's neck How the fuck is a pizza an expression of violent tendencies? (unless we're missing a big part of the story). If he would actually have such, there would be plenty of other expressions to get on his ass for.
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Post by dasfuchs on Dec 22, 2011 14:30:45 GMT -5
It might be seen as that...it might also be the faculty trying to save their ass should things go south further on in life. After all, someone picks up on this and it turns into "Look, he showed violent tendencies in school and no one stopped him!!!" and then everyone's ready to hang the school by it's neck How the fuck is a pizza an expression of violent tendencies? (unless we're missing a big part of the story). If he would actually have such, there would be plenty of other expressions to get on his ass for. Waving something around shaped like a gun. Now they slapped him down for it as opposed to him continuing. Something happens to him or someone else because of him and a gun later on, someone would point to an incident like this. All you need to do is look back on any younger shooter, they always show things that happened in school and instantly the public outcry hangs the school for not doing anything. From drawing pictures to actually being abusive, people more often than not fault every one of these instances after the moment has passed to assign blame for it I generally feel for the faculty at schools as they're damned if they do, damned if they don't. Someone goes on a rampage and after people search the history "Well, in grade school he drew violent pictures" Instantly everyone rags on the school and staff when they didn't do anything. So now they do and still get jumped on because now they're overreacting. People need to get a grip, stuff like this is going to happen no matter what you do. It's best to learn from it instead of deciding who's at fault and damn near lynching them for it.
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Post by Caitshidhe on Dec 22, 2011 15:02:04 GMT -5
But it really doesn't take very much common sense to tell the difference between my brother threatening to shoot a teacher with a weapon we actually had in the house, and a kid waving around a completely innocuous object that happened to be vaguely gun-shaped.
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Post by dasfuchs on Dec 22, 2011 15:23:16 GMT -5
But it really doesn't take very much common sense to tell the difference between my brother threatening to shoot a teacher with a weapon we actually had in the house, and a kid waving around a completely innocuous object that happened to be vaguely gun-shaped. Of course not, I'd say suspension and counselling for him. This kid got the naughty table for six days and a talk about how guns aren't toys. And instead of being "ok, that's that" people are crying "overreaction" and whining about how's it is too over the line.
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