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Post by Shane for Wax on Dec 27, 2011 15:06:15 GMT -5
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Post by scotsgit on Dec 27, 2011 15:12:09 GMT -5
There are one or two like that over here Shane, although they tend to usually found in the "Looney right-winger who can say what he wants because he'll never be elected" category. Which sounds a lot like Ron Paul.
Out of interest, what does he propose to do about it? Travel back in time and invade his own country to prevent them from fighting Hitler?
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Post by Kit Walker on Dec 27, 2011 17:57:57 GMT -5
Out of interest, what does he propose to do about it? Travel back in time and invade his own country to prevent them from fighting Hitler? I think that is is more a Monday morning quarterbacking kind of deal. "Had I been in charge, things would different, believe you me!" That said...I wouldn't mind better corroboration on this. Especially the somewhat anti-Semitic phrasing.
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Post by Armand Tanzarian on Dec 27, 2011 18:12:27 GMT -5
Not surprising really, given the anti-imperialist strain is pretty much his greatest consistent trait and asset. "When I say no outside intervention means NO outside intervention!"
You know, it was precisely these kinds of people in Ming Dynasty China who interrupted Admiral Zheng He's voyages in the 15th century and led to 400 years of Chinese isolationism, interrupting what would've been China's dominance as a military and economic power for centuries.
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Post by Meshakhad on Dec 27, 2011 18:20:21 GMT -5
Unless you buy into the WWII conspiracy theories, there really was no alternative to the US getting involved. After all, Germany did declare war on us.
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Post by CtraK on Dec 27, 2011 19:25:36 GMT -5
Unless you buy into the WWII conspiracy theories, there really was no alternative to the US getting involved. After all, Germany did declare war on us. On December 11th, 1941. Also, they made this poster. Apparently, Americans were a bunch of racists who were run by nasty Jews. Contradiction? What contradiction?
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Post by Tiberius on Dec 27, 2011 20:05:45 GMT -5
Picture is borked.
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Post by Sigmaleph on Dec 27, 2011 20:32:21 GMT -5
For some reason there's a space added near the end of the image URL. The picture is this one:
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Post by Wykked Wytch on Dec 27, 2011 23:42:25 GMT -5
Ron Paul's isolationism is like the hikikomori of foreign policies. Can't deal with other nations? Then just ignore foreigners and their issues completely!
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Post by ltfred on Dec 28, 2011 0:05:19 GMT -5
Hilarious. Abandon allies and pretend the world won't fall to your enemies!
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Post by D Laurier on Dec 28, 2011 8:54:06 GMT -5
To be fair, Hitler was pretty much fucked from the start. He got lucky in the begining, but refused to learn from his enemy's mistakes, or his own. His refusal to mobilize the economy to a war footing, plus his failure to win over the British to his side... left him unable to sustain a prolonged war. Invading Russia was just suicide, especialy on the sort of shoestring budget he imposed on the military. His absurd racial fantasys were just the icing on the whole shitcake of deluded planning that led him to start a war his entire general staff warned him to avoid.
Declaring war on the Americans was just an extra cyanide capsule to chew when he already had a mouthfull.
That said, Ron Paul is a blithering idiot
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Post by lighthorseman on Dec 28, 2011 9:00:00 GMT -5
To be fair, Hitler was pretty much fucked from the start. He got lucky in the begining, but refused to learn from his enemy's mistakes, or his own. His refusal to mobilize the economy to a war footing, plus his failure to win over the British to his side... left him unable to sustain a prolonged war. Invading Russia was just suicide, especialy on the sort of shoestring budget he imposed on the military. His absurd racial fantasys were just the icing on the whole shitcake of deluded planning that led him to start a war his entire general staff warned him to avoid. Declaring war on the Americans was just an extra cyanide capsule to chew when he already had a mouthfull. That said, Ron Paul is a blithering idiot Had Hitler held off a few years on Barbarossa...
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Post by D Laurier on Dec 28, 2011 9:48:42 GMT -5
Had Hitler held off a few years on Barbarossa... ... No. I dont know how familiar you are with Hitler's notions on logistics, but I dont see him changing his approach later on. In addition, there is his sheer ineptitude wrt the navy... his refusal to sack Goering over gross incompetance issues... his refusal to fund sensible weapons development,(everything had to be a superweapon)... his micromanaging of army divisions, and constant refusal to heed the advice of trained generals... Then there are all those red army divisions in the east, with lots of experience fighting the Japanese. And Stalin Did encourage R&D of sensible weapons. The KV tanks were only just starting to roll off the Leningrad factory floor in april of '41... Giving the Soviets a few more years would have meant whole divisions of KVs, instead of just scattered platoons attached to random mechanized brigades. The purges cleaned away a lot of old generals who refused to innovate, and allowed a lot of young officers to rise to high rank. Those young officers were learning modern war in Korea, Mongolia, and Manchuria. They upheld the doctrine of the fluid battlefeild as their religion, and deep operations was their sacred creed. Imagine Yelnia on a more massive scale, with better tanks, and better co-ordination between air and ground forces.
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Post by lighthorseman on Dec 28, 2011 9:55:50 GMT -5
Had Hitler held off a few years on Barbarossa... ... No. I dont know how familiar you are with Hitler's notions on logistics, but I dont see him changing his approach later on. In addition, there is his sheer ineptitude wrt the navy... his refusal to sack Goering over gross incompetance issues... his refusal to fund sensible weapons development,(everything had to be a superweapon)... his micromanaging of army divisions, and constant refusal to heed the advice of trained generals... Then there are all those red army divisions in the east, with lots of experience fighting the Japanese. And Stalin Did encourage R&D of sensible weapons. The KV tanks were only just starting to roll off the Leningrad factory floor in april of '41... Giving the Soviets a few more years would have meant whole divisions of KVs, instead of just scattered platoons attached to random mechanized brigades. The purges cleaned away a lot of old generals who refused to innovate, and allowed a lot of young officers to rise to high rank. Those young officers were learning modern war in Korea, Mongolia, and Manchuria. They upheld the doctrine of the fluid battlefeild as their religion, and deep operations was their sacred creed. Imagine Yelnia on a more massive scale, with better tanks, and better co-ordination between air and ground forces. Goering was the Luftwaffe, not the Kriegsmarine, any way armchair geerals have been refighting the Second World War for almost 70 years now, its been done.
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Post by D Laurier on Dec 28, 2011 10:07:51 GMT -5
And? You think I dont know which branch that drug-addled lard-arsed hedonist Goering commanded?
Anyways... the point is that Ron Paul is a blithering idiot. We can have a grog fight somewhere else.
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