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Post by Vene on Dec 31, 2011 18:37:14 GMT -5
With no notice other than a holiday-eve posting in the Federal Register, the US Food and Drug Administration has reneged on its long-stated intention to compel large-scale agriculture to curb over-use of agricultural antibiotics, which it had planned to do by reversing its approval for putting penicillin and tetracyclines in feed. www.wired.com/wiredscience/2011/12/fda-ag-antibiotics/There you go, no more action will be taken against farmers who give their livestock low levels of antibiotics. Instead they make a little bit more money and we get even more antibiotic resistant bacteria and our best weapon against infectious diseases will disappear even faster. This is exactly what we need, right? It's not like public health is important.
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Post by Yaezakura on Dec 31, 2011 18:45:39 GMT -5
Well, that's just fucking lovely. And sadly, not a shit will be given by the general populous, because it involves science, and science is confusing.
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Post by tempus on Dec 31, 2011 22:11:26 GMT -5
That's it. Reality has jumped the shark, folks.
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Post by N. De Plume on Jan 1, 2012 1:54:52 GMT -5
I am beginning to wonder if a super-bug brought about due to overuse of antibiotics is how the human race will drive itself to extinction.
Bad enough we got all those hand-sanitizers pushing us to overkill…
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Jan 1, 2012 2:24:42 GMT -5
I actually specifically use non-antibacterial body wash. In fact, the only antibiotic stuff we have is some hand stuff, and we only use it for especially bad flu seasons (such as when swine flu was running around)
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Post by Shane for Wax on Jan 1, 2012 2:29:10 GMT -5
Hooray for antibiotics in my food.
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Post by Napoleon the Clown on Jan 1, 2012 2:32:58 GMT -5
I actually specifically use non-antibacterial body wash. In fact, the only antibiotic stuff we have is some hand stuff, and we only use it for especially bad flu seasons (such as when swine flu was running around) You are aware that the flu is a virus, right?
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Jan 1, 2012 2:35:54 GMT -5
I actually specifically use non-antibacterial body wash. In fact, the only antibiotic stuff we have is some hand stuff, and we only use it for especially bad flu seasons (such as when swine flu was running around) You are aware that the flu is a virus, right? Yeah. I am. Hey, it was the advice given to help protect us from the swine flu. Maybe it worked, I don't know exactly. The only thing I do know, though, is that anyone with high school level science SHOULD know that excessive use of antibiotic stuff results in super germs, so I don't get why all of these numb-brained actions happen.
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Post by Napoleon the Clown on Jan 1, 2012 2:51:35 GMT -5
If you're aware it's a virus you should also be aware that antibiotics don't kill it. It had nothing to do with you not getting swine flu. Not being exposed to swine flu is what protected you.
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Jan 1, 2012 3:05:10 GMT -5
If you're aware it's a virus you should also be aware that antibiotics don't kill it. It had nothing to do with you not getting swine flu. Not being exposed to swine flu is what protected you. I probably worded that wrong. It's hand sanitizer. I don't quite know if that counts as an antibiotic (though it does help produce super germs) And yeah, I'm accepting that as the most likely explanation - that I didn't get it because I wasn't exposed.
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Post by jackmann on Jan 1, 2012 3:31:24 GMT -5
Hand sanitizer can kill some viruses, including the flu virus (though others, like rabies, are unaffected). This is because it works on a different principle than antibiotics. Antibiotics are a little more like a tailored poison. Hand sanitizer is more like a scorched earth policy in a plastic bottle.
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Post by askold on Jan 1, 2012 4:30:06 GMT -5
Why on earth would someone continously give antibiotics to animals? That is all kinds of stupid and wrong.
BTW: In Finland if a cow is taking medication then it cannot be sent to slaughterhouse and likewise all the milk it produces will be thrown away while it still has medicine in the system. (Also it causes a lot of extra work since the milking machines have to be washed thorougly to remove all traces of medicine.) Presumably it is the same thing with other farm animals. This is the smart thing to do and everyone accepts it. Sure some of the farmers might be annoyed about it since medicating a cow that dies anyway makes them lose money but NO ONE would actually want antibiotics laced meat into market...
EDIT: I was reading the article and found the timeline... 1951 & 1954: The FDA approves penicillin, chlortetracycline and oxytetracycline as feed additives
WHAT! Americans have peen eating penicillin in their meat since 50's?!
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Post by Vene on Jan 1, 2012 10:34:29 GMT -5
I am beginning to wonder if a super-bug brought about due to overuse of antibiotics is how the human race will drive itself to extinction. Probably not, they're not really any more dangerous than they were before we had antibiotics, but they are most definitely more dangerous than they were 50 years ago. I probably worded that wrong. It's hand sanitizer. I don't quite know if that counts as an antibiotic (though it does help produce super germs) It should say if it has an antibiotic in it, but if it produces "super germs" then it pretty much has to have an antibiotic in it. Stop using the bloody thing. Antibiotic free hand sanitizer is fine, because it works by disrupting the cell wall and cell membrane of pathogens. But an antibiotic is a tailored poison for a unique biochemical system (for example, penicillin and derivatives work by stopping cell wall formation) and as a result they can evolve resistance to it.
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Jan 1, 2012 16:46:05 GMT -5
It should say if it has an antibiotic in it, but if it produces "super germs" then it pretty much has to have an antibiotic in it. Stop using the bloody thing. Antibiotic free hand sanitizer is fine, because it works by disrupting the cell wall and cell membrane of pathogens. But an antibiotic is a tailored poison for a unique biochemical system (for example, penicillin and derivatives work by stopping cell wall formation) and as a result they can evolve resistance to it. I actually haven't used it since Swine Flu season >_> So, your order of "stop using it" is moot. That being said, looking at the ingredients, it's alcohol. I wonder if germs can become resistant to alcohol...
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Post by Shane for Wax on Jan 1, 2012 16:53:45 GMT -5
My hand sanitizer just uses alcohol denat, 69%
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