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Post by m52nickerson on May 21, 2009 11:06:51 GMT -5
Terrell Owens as an example may not be the best. He never did anywhere close to what Vick did. At the most TO is a disruption.
(You see I have to defend TO a bit know because he is on my team.)
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Post by Panthera on May 21, 2009 11:09:57 GMT -5
captainhooker: "The guy is a gifted athelete who made a terrible mistake deliberately broke the law and cruelly exploited animals." Fixed that for you. A "mistake" is something like forgetting to carry the one when adding sums, or missing your exit on the highway. What Vick did was not a "mistake"; it was a conscious, deliberate flouting of the law, as well as a conscious, deliberate exploitation of creatures who deserved better treatment from so-called human beings. Nevertheless, I concur that Vick probably will be hired by an NFL team pretty easily. They've generally been absurdly tolerant of their athletes' drug abuse and other crimes, so I cynically expect that Vick will have little difficulty in getting on a team again. But my expectation does not mean that I support it. ~David D.G. Quoted for 100% motherfucking truth.
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Post by antichrist on May 21, 2009 12:09:24 GMT -5
captainhooker: "The guy is a gifted athelete who made a terrible mistake deliberately broke the law and cruelly exploited animals." Fixed that for you. A "mistake" is something like forgetting to carry the one when adding sums, or missing your exit on the highway. What Vick did was not a "mistake"; it was a conscious, deliberate flouting of the law, as well as a conscious, deliberate exploitation of creatures who deserved better treatment from so-called human beings. Nevertheless, I concur that Vick probably will be hired by an NFL team pretty easily. They've generally been absurdly tolerant of their athletes' drug abuse and other crimes, so I cynically expect that Vick will have little difficulty in getting on a team again. But my expectation does not mean that I support it. ~David D.G. +1 It's amazing how prevalent dog fighting is. I've been approached by people about fighting my rotts. Unfortunately most dog fighting is just guys with small dicks that need to feel big. Organized fighting, like what Vick was into, is actually the rarer species.
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Post by Star Cluster on May 21, 2009 13:00:20 GMT -5
I'd be fairly sure there would be a few teams that would be interested in signing Vick. There will always be teams that value winning over image. But I'd also be fairly certain that my team, the Carolina Panthers, wouldn't be one of them. We've already had our share of players to step outside the limits of the law or to be found to be of questionable character, and it wasn't long before they were no longer with the team.
When Vick was playing with the Falcons, when they would come to Charlotte to play each year, and since it is only a four hour drive from Atlanta to Charlotte, there was a large contingent of Falcon fans each game. There was a definite "thug" mentality present and multiple fights would break out in the stands. The worst area of the stadium seemed to be 4 sections down from where I sat; an area where a large block of seats was reserved for visiting team's fans. I remember one fight that started about half way up the section with about 5 guys involved descending the steps, swinging and punching the whole time. By the time they got to the bottom of the steps, the police were there to arrest them all.
And yeah, I know, there are fans from a lot of teams that are obnoxious when in another teams stadium. Cowboy fans, for example, can be rather rude. But there was just something very different about the Falcon fans when they came to Charlotte to play.
Since Vick's conviction and removal from the team, the Atlanta crowds are more civil and seem to be the actual football-loving type of fan. I had some Falcon fans sitting beside me last year that were rather pleasant to be around. They cheered for their team, but they weren't obnoxious about it like the crowds had been in the past.
As a side note, the first game with Atlanta after he went to prison, one Falcon fan had a Vick jersey on, and had taken tape and put CON in front of his name on the back. I couldn't help but laugh.
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Post by m52nickerson on May 21, 2009 13:10:26 GMT -5
I'd be fairly sure there would be a few teams that would be interested in signing Vick. There will always be teams that value winning over image. So you are saying Vick is going to the Raiders!
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Post by Star Cluster on May 21, 2009 14:20:37 GMT -5
I'd be fairly sure there would be a few teams that would be interested in signing Vick. There will always be teams that value winning over image. So you are saying Vick is going to the Raiders! They do tend to come to mind when speaking of this type of thing, don't they?
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Post by captainhooker on May 21, 2009 14:30:00 GMT -5
@ David D.G. point taken - my statement was an understatement, at least Terrell Owens as an example may not be the best. He never did anywhere close to what Vick did. At the most TO is a disruption. This is exactly the point I'm making. When your business is making money, off-the-field morality isn't an issue, but distractions, in the negative sense are. Pac Man Jones didn't get cut until his antics became such a distraction that he got more press from the team. Same with TO. If Vick can come in, do a good job, keep his nose out of trouble, and do some VERY high profile image rehabilitation, he'll be a hot commodity.
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Post by m52nickerson on May 21, 2009 15:27:48 GMT -5
Pacman Jones was suspended from the league because of numerous off field incidents that involved the police, including a shooting that cause a man to be paralyzed. Yes he was a distraction, but it involved illegal activity. TO can also be a distraction, but it is almost always football related, and not illegal.
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Post by devilschaplain2 on May 21, 2009 15:39:02 GMT -5
Hell no, I'd rather slather him in BBQ sauce and stick him in a PETA shelter for violent, starving pitbulls.
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Post by Old Viking on May 21, 2009 17:46:46 GMT -5
Non-issue. Who cares? It's a game, folks. You know, like Parcheesi.
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Post by David D.G. on May 21, 2009 18:30:51 GMT -5
Non-issue. Who cares? It's a game, folks. You know, like Parcheesi. In a perfect world, it should be that way. But how many Parcheesi players do you know of who make millions of dollars playing it and have thousands or millions of fans, including impressionable kids who want to be Just Like Them? The reality is that athletes are glorified, and I for one would appreciate that glory being reserved for people who not only are good at the game but are decent human beings as well. Surely there are enough good athletes in the world to manage this. ~David D.G.
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Post by m52nickerson on May 21, 2009 20:03:32 GMT -5
There are enough decent athletes in every sport to be good role models. The problem is we don't hear the good stories.
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Post by tiado on May 22, 2009 1:52:06 GMT -5
A "mistake" is something like forgetting to carry the one when adding sums, or missing your exit on the highway. What Vick did was not a "mistake"; it was a conscious, deliberate flouting of the law, as well as a conscious, deliberate exploitation of creatures who deserved better treatment from so-called human beings. That is so freaking true! I have to give you a +1 for it.
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Post by katautumn on May 22, 2009 4:22:26 GMT -5
Here is what bothers me about this situation - Michael Vick made tens of millions of dollars per year playing football. He didn't need the money he made fighting dogs. That means he did it for the sheer pleasure of hurting animals. His friends even testified in court that if a dog of his lost a fight, he'd order them to burn them, hang them or beat them until they were dead.
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Post by m52nickerson on May 22, 2009 7:49:39 GMT -5
It was not about money, it was about power. The power Vick held not only over the dogs, but the other people involved in the ring that relied on to fund them.
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