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Post by ironbite on Jul 8, 2009 20:59:56 GMT -5
Ok we get it. People make bad parents and only Optimus Prime can look after our kids.
Ironbite-can we move on now?
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Post by keresm on Jul 8, 2009 21:04:04 GMT -5
Lay off. These deaths are thoroughly investigated, and since the number of charges brought are next to zero, it's a reasonable conclusion that the majority of these deaths are truly accidental. A trial, let alone a conviction, on negligent-homicide-via-hot-car would make national news. Actually, I provided several studies that actually PROVE the deaths are not thoroughly investigated. Perhaps you should have read my posts?
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Post by dantesvirgil on Jul 8, 2009 21:17:19 GMT -5
Kitty, if you can say clearly we can't know the mental state and the motive when that is something frequently proven in a court case, by the way, how on earth can you possibly assert these cases were fully investigated? The links you are providing are based on the publicly stated motives of the people who have the most to lose by stating any other thing than "I forgot." Read. The. Posts. Kids don't die in five fucking minutes. If this were all about five minutes none of these other issues would be raised. Seriously -- if an abuser asserted "I didn't mean for this to happen" or some such, would you honestly take them at their word? Would you assert that if you can't prove abuse happened 100% of the time you can't call it abuse ever? Do you think before you pound the keys?
And you're one to talk about "laying off" -- might I remind you your primary response was "we don't want your kind here"?
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Post by dantesvirgil on Jul 8, 2009 21:19:06 GMT -5
Ok we get it. People make bad parents and only Optimus Prime can look after our kids. Ironbite-can we move on now? I have to say I'm always amazed when people just pop in to say "can we move on now" when they're not actively contributing to a thread. If you don't like the topic, pick another one. I don't mean that in a hateful way, just a practical one. Several of us are actively discussing something and we're interested in it. We're not ready to "move on". If you want to, you're welcome to, but you don't have the right to tell us to just because you're bored or whatever -- nobody's forcing you to click on this thread, dude.
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Post by ironbite on Jul 8, 2009 21:22:41 GMT -5
Oh little do you know dante, there is someone forcing me to click this link. I'm crazier then a fruitcake don' cha' know?
But seriouslly, I've been following this ballon for awhile now and we've gotton to the point known in debating circiles as chewing the cud. You're just rearguing the same arugments you've previouslly hit on. Get new points.
Ironbite-it bores me.
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Post by dantesvirgil on Jul 8, 2009 21:24:08 GMT -5
Not here to entertain you. If you'd like to contribute something, contribute it. Otherwise, stop telling other people what to do with their conversations.
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Post by ironbite on Jul 8, 2009 21:25:08 GMT -5
.....people aren't put here to entertain me?
Ironbite-THIS CANNOT BE!
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Post by dantesvirgil on Jul 8, 2009 21:25:34 GMT -5
Sorry to disappoint you.
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Post by ironbite on Jul 8, 2009 21:26:31 GMT -5
Oh well.
Guess I'll just have to destory another Earth. Maybe next time you people will realize that you were put here to entertain me.
Ironbite-I think this marks 7 I've taken down. Maybe we'll get lucky at 8.
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Post by ironbite on Jul 8, 2009 21:29:23 GMT -5
Ok Serious mode now.
I can understand why people would forget a child in the car or anyplace really. The human mind is remarkable in it's infinite space and how easy it is for pathways to just...break. Is that an excuse? No. A reason I think anyways. But to try and place blame on what is essentially a broken computer program is kinda...stupid.
Ironbite-just say you're stupid, learn from your mistake, never do it again. Easy right?
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Post by wmdkitty on Jul 8, 2009 21:30:31 GMT -5
Wow, DV, I guess I'm just stupid and incapable of truly caring about children, you know, and since I'm drawing a different conclusion than you are, I must not be reading the posts.
All the evidence I have seen -- ALL OF IT -- has pointed to ACCIDENTAL DEATH.
IF EVEN ONE CASE resulted in charges, it would make national news.
IF EVEN ONE INVESTIGATION turned up evidence of routine neglect or abuse, the shit would hit the fan.
IF, as you allege, the cases "aren't being investigated," there wouldn't be any statistics available.
Assigning PREMEDITATION to what, until proven otherwise in a court of law, is a tragic accident is dishonest.
Maybe all you parent types are cowards, AFRAID to admit that you're NOT PERFECT, and that you COULD accidentally kill your child. Oh, I know, it's unthinkable, a parent accidentally killing their child, because when a child is killed it -must- have been -intentional-. No. You just can't stand the thought that it could happen to you.
Get. Off. Your. High. Horses. Already.
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Post by wmdkitty on Jul 8, 2009 21:31:09 GMT -5
And kids DO fucking die in five minutes. Less, even.
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Post by ironbite on Jul 8, 2009 21:32:41 GMT -5
Wow, DV, I guess I'm just stupid and incapable of truly caring about children, you know, and since I'm drawing a different conclusion than you are, I must not be reading the posts. All the evidence I have seen -- ALL OF IT -- has pointed to ACCIDENTAL DEATH. IF EVEN ONE CASE resulted in charges, it would make national news. IF EVEN ONE INVESTIGATION turned up evidence of routine neglect or abuse, the shit would hit the fan. IF, as you allege, the cases "aren't being investigated," there wouldn't be any statistics available. Assigning PREMEDITATION to what, until proven otherwise in a court of law, is a tragic accident is dishonest. Maybe all you parent types are cowards, AFRAID to admit that you're NOT PERFECT, and that you COULD accidentally kill your child. Oh, I know, it's unthinkable, a parent accidentally killing their child, because when a child is killed it -must- have been -intentional-. No. You just can't stand the thought that it could happen to you. Get. Off. Your. High. Horses. Already. Get. Off. Your. Persecution. Complex. Already. Ironbite-see I can do that too.
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Post by wmdkitty on Jul 8, 2009 21:51:23 GMT -5
Gee, Ironbite, I'm bombarded with people calling me stupid and inferior.
I feel that's valid reason for feeling somewhat attacked.
I'm not the one assigning guilt to parents for making a mistake and thinking the kid was with Grandma.
I'm not the one calling people "stupid" for pointing out that it's entirely possible to forget a small child, especially when the kid is sound asleep in back, often behind the driver's seat, and facing backwards.
I don't understand why the parents in this thread are so offended at the mere suggestion that they just might be human, and capable of forgetting a child, or why, just because they don't think they could forget their kid, well, it must be impossible for any parent, at any time, under any conditions, to forget their child. I guarantee you, that's exactly what every parent who lost a child in this way was thinking, before it happened to them.
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Post by wmdkitty on Jul 8, 2009 21:55:43 GMT -5
In addition, the best parents I know have all forgotten a child at home, forgotten to pick one up from school or soccer practice, or whatever. They all have stories of "that one time my kid wandered off." Some have even packed the baby's stuff, and forgotten the baby in the rush.
None of those things were deliberate, none were done with the intent of leaving the kid behind, or putting it in danger. Just moments of human fallibility.
They happen. Get over it.
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