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Post by MozMode on Mar 9, 2009 19:05:25 GMT -5
Additionally, showing a valid USA birth certificate would prove nothing to his detractors. They would claim it was faked or something. There were documents that were 'brought to light' concerning Bush and his history in the military that were immediately jumped upon by his supporters as being fake. I do not know personally whether they were or not, but detractors of Obama would likely do the same thing. Nothing will be good enough for them. They aren't really mad because they think he isn't American. They are mad because they didn't get their way. EDIT: Yes, someone else made this point and I missed it, but I'm leaving this up because I had different supporting evidence and whatnot. And he has shown his birth certificate. It was good enough for him to sit in the Senate, it's good enough for him to be POTUS. Even if he went door to door, shoving his BC in every fundies face, it would still be called fake. I think he's taking the upper road by ignoring the bullshit. As far as the lawsuit goes. Well I'm sure I could find a lawyer willing to sue Bigfoot for me, if I had the cash up front. Well I think the whole hooplah is over the fact that he showed his "certificate of live birth" not his actual birth certificate. I don't know the difference but then again, I don't know how Hawaii does it. I'm sure that if he truly wasn't an American citizen, it would've come to light by now.
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Post by MozMode on Mar 9, 2009 19:07:31 GMT -5
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Post by wisechild on Mar 9, 2009 19:48:30 GMT -5
Well, what do you expect from people who believe rehashed John Birch Society stuff? Like "Jew Banker" becomes "International Banker" Conspiracy. That if there is to be an Anti-Christ, there has got to be a conspiracy to prop up a One-World Government, and Obama is going to help Mr. Anti-Christ with assuming power. It serves a paranoid personality well.
I'm just a little surprised that this reached critical mass on certain message boards, but really, it's The Internet, it's not really that difficult.
Also, many of them are upset over Obama's victory in the primaries. Democrats are supposed to be uninspiring eggheads, to them, not charismatic, intelligent and down-to-earth. Hillary Clinton was supposed to be their electoral failsafe.
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Post by wackadoodle on Mar 9, 2009 19:55:20 GMT -5
I think he's taking the upper road by ignoring the bullshit. As far as the lawsuit goes. Well I'm sure I could find a lawyer willing to sue Bigfoot for me, if I had the cash up front. Show us on the doll where Bigfoot touched you...
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Post by Old Viking on Mar 9, 2009 19:59:05 GMT -5
They love working themselves into a mass frenzy. It's like masturbating in public.
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Post by ironbite on Mar 9, 2009 23:28:35 GMT -5
My thoughts exactly. I mean, when was this guy announced as the Dem Prez Nominee?? Like over a year ago?? And they haven't found anything yet. So, what makes them think they're going to find anything now? I can assure you that since he was announced as the Dem frontrunner, they've been trying feverishly to find some dirt. In all honesty tho, if Obama wanted to shut them up in a heartbeat he'd show the full birth certificate. They'd be publicly humiliated, and Obama would have some additional cred for standing up to them. Why should he show them to be the fools they actually are? Guess what Sky...HE WON! Nothing any of these idiots can ever do will change that fact. They can keep bringing up lawsuit after lawsuit challenging his birth certificate but it will only bring about disbarment for the lawyers. Ironbite-the Birthers aren't going to do anything but give us alot of laughter over the next 4 years.
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Post by schizophonic on Mar 9, 2009 23:31:12 GMT -5
I was born in Florida as well. Anybody here NOT born in Florida? I'm a Masshole, myself. Well, born in Mass. Did I mention I was conceived in New Hampshire? I got around, but none of me was in Florida. As for the topic, when things don't go your way, it's easy to grasp at straws. We have been polarised by partisan BS to the point that people think Obama's going to require gay marriage and abortion in every household. Not surprising they'd cleave to this belief.
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Post by ironbite on Mar 9, 2009 23:34:16 GMT -5
Oh and I was born and raised in Northern Virginia.
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Post by MozMode on Mar 9, 2009 23:36:19 GMT -5
Just a question...so the whole deal is over the difference between a "birth certificate" and a "certificate of live birth". Does anyone know what the law in Hawaii states, whether everyone gets just a certificate of live birth or if they get an actual birth certificate. Perhaps when Obama was born that's all everyone got. I also heard the State Seal is supposed to be on the back of the certificate.
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Post by schizophonic on Mar 10, 2009 0:35:01 GMT -5
Just a question...so the whole deal is over the difference between a "birth certificate" and a "certificate of live birth". Does anyone know what the law in Hawaii states, whether everyone gets just a certificate of live birth or if they get an actual birth certificate. Perhaps when Obama was born that's all everyone got. I also heard the State Seal is supposed to be on the back of the certificate. I found this From a website insisting that Obama's Birth Certificate was, in fact, forged. Since the author seems to have conceded the notion that it looks like a normal birth certificate by displaying the comparison, I'd say it's safe to assume it's similar. The claims of the lack of a seal seem ridiculous, as that won't necessarily show up well in a scan, especially since the imprint won't show up easily. It looks like they have altered the contrast on the above image to show the detail, in fact. I mean, I'm not going to swear that, just observing. We have, however, seen pictures of his birth certificate where the detail of the imprint is shown. The signature and seal look like they're backwards, and thuse it's reasonable to assume we're only seeing the impression of the signature and seal on the back as you suggested was the case. "Of" is backwards on the seal (I can't make out the rest for sure) and it looks like the caps are on the right of the words in the signature. Since birth certificates aren't standard (Mine, from Mass, has the seal on the front), it's hard to know unless we get some people from Hawaii talking. But that looks legit, and it doesn't look like there's any foundation aside from an alleged missing seal and signature.
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Post by JonathanE on Mar 10, 2009 2:06:40 GMT -5
Additionally, showing a valid USA birth certificate would prove nothing to his detractors. They would claim it was faked or something. There were documents that were 'brought to light' concerning Bush and his history in the military that were immediately jumped upon by his supporters as being fake. If it's the Killian documents that CBS procured, then yes; they were ultimately borne out as forgeries created by one of Bush's political opponents. CBS both failed to properly vet them before airing them and refused to retract the story they did about them until long after even the general public became aware of the situation. The incident cost several CBS staffers their jobs, led to Dan Rather's downfall, and is believed to have played a key role in Kerry's narrow defeat. Other documents that did come up were legit; the disputes were merely over how the documents were interpreted by the media and pundits. IE, the phrase "not observed at this station" is a standard phrase meaning that a person got transferred between posts during an observation period and so the official observer could not complete the task; it was frequently misrepresented as meaning that Bush was AWOL or had failed to report. So what? They were not "proven" to be forgeries, but could not be verified independently. This is different. Rather jumped the gun and presented them without verification. They were not shown to be forgeries, rather they were unverified documents. There is a difference. At any rate, they are irrelevant to the current discussion. Obama's mother is a U.S. citizen. If Obama was born in fucking Bagdad, he would STILL be a U.S. citizen, so the whole birth certificate bullshit is just that, bullshit. It an irrelevant argument. He is a U.S. citizen by birth. End of fucking story. No Act I, scene II, nothing. Over. Done.
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Post by antichrist on Mar 10, 2009 2:06:53 GMT -5
If the one above is real, why does it say white in one race and Caucasian in another?
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Post by Julian on Mar 10, 2009 4:36:19 GMT -5
Even if they can prove Obama wasn't a legal citizen, the best-case scenario is merely Obama getting ejected, Biden becoming the next President, and a few intense months of political infighting among the DNC's elite as to who should become the VP. If the election actually is declared invalid, it'd raise a massive shitstorm so epic that people might just forget about the Bush years for a little while. Same old fail.... Although I will admit it's a load better than this debacle!!! www.fstdt.com/forums/thread.aspx?p=269567#269567--------------------- On what possible basis are you even suggesting Obama "will go down"? The utter longshot that people actually find something. "Catfight". Oh, of course, women have "catfights". Not disputes, or arguments or disagreements. The base meaning of "cat fight" in this context refers to an actual physical altercation. And yes, given the two people in question, I can easily see that happening.
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Post by Redhunter on Mar 10, 2009 4:58:40 GMT -5
My thoughts exactly. I mean, when was this guy announced as the Dem Prez Nominee?? Like over a year ago?? And they haven't found anything yet. So, what makes them think they're going to find anything now? I can assure you that since he was announced as the Dem frontrunner, they've been trying feverishly to find some dirt. In all honesty tho, if Obama wanted to shut them up in a heartbeat he'd show the full birth certificate. They'd be publicly humiliated, and Obama would have some additional cred for standing up to them. Pigheaded idiots are never going to listen regardless of how much proof or lack of evidence on their part is present.
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Post by The Lazy One on Mar 10, 2009 5:34:30 GMT -5
I was born in Florida as well. Anybody here NOT born in Florida? I was born in Kansas.
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