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Post by Vypernight on Sept 16, 2009 7:01:54 GMT -5
When I was 5 years old, my goldfish got sick. My father told me that, if we released him into the stream nearby, he could get better. So we drove to the stream, and I released my friend into the water. Before I could finish saying goodbye, he got eaten by a trout right in front of me. That was a pretty traumatic experience for me. Does that mean I have demons too (I thought they worked for me)? That's just damn funny. Traumatic for you I'm sure, but just damn funny from where I'm sitting. I know, I'm an asshole, it's probably a demon of some sort. Yeah, you and the demon you rode in on. Just kidding; it's cool now, though people here believe it's one of many reasons for my demented mind. Also, I was born in Salem, Mass.
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Post by nautical999 on Sept 16, 2009 8:24:45 GMT -5
lightmelon
there so many things that i could help you with and really wish you would give me the opportunity to. You are hurting so much inside and the God you left is the one who holds His hand out to you for you to take. artemis and aphrodite would never be able to take the hurt and pain. that God can take from you. you say you hide inside and also say that you have memory gaps. the nightmares are inside as well. This is what i help people with. This is my passion and what i do. All along you have been avoiding the talk of these dreams. Trying to make light of everything else. These dreams are not dreams but are the spiritual realm. just like when astraling. I can help you get out of there. So you never have to go there again. And the little ones who are there now i can help you too.
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Post by nautical999 on Sept 16, 2009 8:42:25 GMT -5
lonelocust i am not a psychic therefore will not be able to give exact details of everything. If your mother has DID which you do as well. A dissociative part can see into the spirit realm and be able to see things such as a child hood home or in some cases many houses that affected them in there life. each room has a person in it. and most likely demons as well. There are things in this world that can help you. in this world demons try to masquerade as people we know to fool us and that is where false memories come from. Not saying this is the case but a demon will make itself look like daddy and then rape you and you thought dear old dad did it. Also if dear old dad did do it the demons will make themselves look like him and keep doing it over and over again making you relive through it for decades and even the whole life. This can be stopped though.
P.S. after writing this i skimmed through to see your other posts after the one i answered and THEN seen the one of false memories. of course this will be skeptical to some but i give you my word to it.
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Post by nautical999 on Sept 16, 2009 8:47:36 GMT -5
jedi
that is pretty cool
lonelocust
and all who have commented on my kindness thank you. And for the most part you guys have been as well. I see no point in cussing and screaming and acting like a fool when trying to preach the gospel i wouldn't do that in my church nor would i do it here.
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Post by valsa on Sept 16, 2009 12:14:06 GMT -5
Ah, I did not know of this phenomena. I’ve never come across a situation myself where I thought I had been somewhere or did something that I’ve been told I didn’t, but I won’t consider it out of the realm of possibility if it’s as common as you say. I can construct very elaborate fantasies in my head when I’m bored that, if I weren’t completely aware of having fabricated them (and the fact that many involve fictional characters), would probably be realistic enough to be false memories. However, I have had situations with both my parents, especially my mother, where she thinks she was somewhere and I’ll have to tell her, “No, mom. You weren’t there. I was there and I told you about that last week”. Good to know she’s not just going senile. But this just furthers my belief about this quiz being nothing but a “cold reading” to find out people’s vulnerabilities and spin them into being demons. Really? That is awesome. Psychic!bots! I think the cold-readers in person usually have the benefit of being able to read people’s body language and reactions to see if they’re on the right track or not with what they’re saying. We noticed the fact that this quiz is effectively fishing for the most common “sins” because we can see all the questions. IRL, it may be that people using quizzes like this, at least at first, will just hone in on the first “bite” they get, making people feel like “Wow, they must have been led by God right to my problem” instead of revealing the fact that their little quiz pretty much asks, in one form or another, about every sin. Heheheh. @ Nautical-Just curious, since at least three of us here are either vegetarian or lean towards it- what’s your church’s stance on vegetarianism? I gather from your quiz you guys aren’t partial to anything that isn’t the Christian norm (like being against meditation, even though that has proven health benefits, including the physical (lowering high blood pressure) and psychological (helping people with “demons” of anxiety or anger calm themselves more easily)) so I can’t imagine that you’d be for the veggie lifestyle, but I’d like to hear the reasoning behind it, if you don’t mind. Also, since I may want to do a little reading up on my own about your denomination, what church are you part of? Catholic (I’d assume not)? Protestant? Baptist (I’m going to guess this one)? Pentacostal (my former people!)? What do you guys call yourselves? I can’t eat eggs anymore actually. My evil vegan friend linked me to an article about the wide-spread practice of hatcheries that supply egg-laying hens to egg producers throwing boy chicks alive into grinders after they hatch because there’s no use for boy chicks in egg laying Yeah, she pretty much killed my ability to eat eggs without gagging with that one.
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Post by tygerarmy on Sept 16, 2009 12:52:06 GMT -5
Ah, I did not know of this phenomena. I’ve never come across a situation myself where I thought I had been somewhere or did something that I’ve been told I didn’t, but I won’t consider it out of the realm of possibility if it’s as common as you say. I can construct very elaborate fantasies in my head when I’m bored that, if I weren’t completely aware of having fabricated them (and the fact that many involve fictional characters), would probably be realistic enough to be false memories. Fanatasies about fictional people, on top of admitting to watching guy on guy sex. Demons! The demons of boredum and creativity are attached to you. When you are sitting alone with nothing to do do you ever see yourself somewhere else? Perhaps in a far away destination? With fictional people? Or fictional abilities? These demon are responsible. Poor baby chicks. I just pictured new borns chicks being thrown against the wall, splatting and falling into the grinder. That being said I still want eggs.
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Post by valsa on Sept 16, 2009 13:33:42 GMT -5
*weeps* The line workers actually just flip them into the grinders. Apparently, there was video footage of some of this stuff captured by a member of an animal rights organization who went undercover after getting a job at a hatchery. There were also cases of some poor boy chicks not making it into the grinders, falling on the floor, and just kind of lying there until they died. Another method of killing the chicks, though I believe/hope that it's less common, is where they stream scald them to death. Unfortunately, the undercover person also caught footage where the scalding only severely burned some chicks without killing them until they‘d suffered for a long time and finally died later *is sad again*
I don't mind that the chicks are being killed in-and-of-itself. The hatcheries came out and said, "If anyone wants about a billion male chicks every year, you can have them, because we can't think of any use for them." I understand their reasoning, but I think it's ridiculous that they can't find a humane way to kill the chicks. I'd be able to eat eggs again if they just humanely killed them.
Demons of boredom and creativity? Aw, but I like Thurg and Ogtok. Sometimes I fantasize about them having guy-on-guy sex too. With Obi Wan Kenobi (Ewan MeGregor version, not the old guy) Which I guess would be demon-on-guy-on-demon.
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Post by Bezron on Sept 16, 2009 16:23:33 GMT -5
I don't mind that the chicks are being killed in-and-of-itself. The hatcheries came out and said, "If anyone wants about a billion male chicks every year, you can have them, because we can't think of any use for them." I understand their reasoning, but I think it's ridiculous that they can't find a humane way to kill the chicks. I'd be able to eat eggs again if they just humanely killed them. Define humane, in this case. To me, humane is killing them as fast as possible so that any suffering ends quickly. Which is why they flip them into the grinders. Relatively few of them actually don't make it into the grinders, but PETA (I know the video in question) made absolutely sure to play that part up. The only other way I could think of would be to gather the boys up all day and put them in a gas chamber at the end of the day. But suffocation takes longer than the current method, so it may be considered less humane.
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Post by valsa on Sept 16, 2009 19:44:54 GMT -5
“Humane” to me is killing them as quickly and as pain-free as possible. Being ground up alive is painful and cruel, no matter how quick it is. I actually was thinking about some possible gas-chamber method. However, instead of suffocation, it would use either- 1) some sort of quick, painless poison (does that even exist?) or 2) something to knock the chicks unconscious and then the workers can grind them. I realize those two options aren't as cheap as just chucking them into the grinders awake and alive, but I'm willing to bet that the small rise in cost that would, I'm sure, ultimately be passed onto the consumer wouldn't be all that much.
Are there two videos out? I'm pretty sure the one I saw a reference to (you couldn't pay me to actually watch it) was filmed by someone from a group called Mercy for Animals or something (I know it had "Mercy" in the name) Or is that an off-branch of PETA?
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Post by lightmelon on Sept 16, 2009 21:07:45 GMT -5
I don't believe there can ever be anything humane about killing. At all. It's all just wrong, when the fuck did we ever get the right to just dispose of a living creature just because we don't want it around? Abortions are one thing because they can't live outside of a woman's body and every lady should very well have the choice to do what she likes with HER body, but these creatures are already born, fully developed, can feel...it's all so sad.
And Nautical, please tell me just this: Why could your god do anything more than the mythical Aphrodite or Artemis? I have statues and altars of them because I respect their archetypes: Aphrodite, goddess of passionate love, reminds me to shine w/ beauty from the inside and love deeply, Artemis, goddess of the wild hunt, reminds me to be independent and strong.....ect.
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Post by valsa on Sept 16, 2009 22:12:50 GMT -5
Baby steps, Lightmelon, baby steps. In a perfect world, I'd agree with you that we shouldn't get rid of animals just because their sex makes them useless to us. However, when faced with a problem that would require a huge change to truly “fix”, I try to look for practical, small steps we can use to address the most pressing issues first.
The only true solutions to this particular problem (male chicks being killed) I can see are-
1) No one eats eggs anymore. This eliminates the need the egg producers have for chicks of either sex. 2) Technology becomes available and widespread that can isolate female chicks while still in the eggs, so we can destroy males long before they hatch (egg abortion, basically)
Solution #1 has the downfall of being far too big of a change for society. People just aren’t going to give up their delicious, delicious eggs. Not to mention that, since eggs are an inexpensive, healthy food source, I’m not sure refraining from eating them would be a good thing. We’d have to first solve the human hunger/poor-people-can’t-afford-healthy-food problems first. Once we eliminate the actual need for eggs as a cheap, healthy source of nutrients, then it might be easier to convince people to give them up.
Solution #2 would be cumbersome to implement and expensive. Not very realistic.
So, since I can’t imagine us being able to apply the "true" solutions for a very, very long time, I try and focus on the most immediate issue that can be solved- the fact that we’re not just killing the male chicks, but we’re doing it in a pretty horrific way. That is a problem that’s within our reach to actually fix. After that, we can work towards the other stuff.
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Post by lightmelon on Sept 16, 2009 23:33:31 GMT -5
Slightly off point here, but...the smell and taste of eggs is disgusting ._. I mean, there's no other food I CAN'T stomach other than eggs. Ugh.
And well, honestly I'd perfer Option 1. As unrealistic as it might be, I'm all for a revolution!
(Especially if the revolution means I'll never have to smell eggs cooking in the morning ever again. Shit, might as well throw a meat cleaver at me to wake me up.)
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Post by DarkfireTaimatsu on Sept 16, 2009 23:43:44 GMT -5
Slightly off point here, but...the smell and taste of eggs is disgusting ._. I mean, there's no other food I CAN'T stomach other than eggs. Ugh. And well, honestly I'd perfer Option 1. As unrealistic as it might be, I'm all for a revolution! (Especially if the revolution means I'll never have to smell eggs cooking in the morning ever again. Shit, might as well throw a meat cleaver at me to wake me up.) Eggs are only good as an ingredient. By themselves, they're icky. But when combined with other stuff, they turn into cake. Delicious cake.
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Post by nautical999 on Sept 16, 2009 23:54:49 GMT -5
lightmelon
the reason why my God can do what those statues can't do is because He is real and not some piece of wood or stone formed to make money and hold you into bondage. In this world that you can see on the inside do you see your idols are they in the same room as you? and how many rooms are there? or are the idols in the foundation of the house?
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Post by nautical999 on Sept 16, 2009 23:57:20 GMT -5
lonelocust are you ready to talk yet?
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