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Post by nautical999 on Oct 13, 2009 10:55:47 GMT -5
bezron
in life we choose one of two different paths for eternity. one is heaven and the other is hell. if one chooses hell that is what he gets. that is not a punishment from God but a choice by the person. This choice is only a choice to us but the fallen angels and demons will be sent there for punishment for leading so many away from God
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Post by Sigmaleph on Oct 13, 2009 10:59:32 GMT -5
blue you have again made some great points however the electrical energies you refer to as causing the problems in the brain and causing halucinations and such? these are demons as well they are affecting those around and can be picked up by the use of the electrical equipment. i would bet my last dollar that if you put all schizoideffective or mentally ill people in a room by themselves you will get this energy. for that matter all who are affected by the demonic will have this as well. putting two and two together sometimes it does make 4 I want to make sure you are really saying what I think you're saying, so: Do you really mean that the mentally ill generate an electric field? If so, are you really willing to put money on this?
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Post by Bluefinger on Oct 13, 2009 11:00:36 GMT -5
blue you have again made some great points however the electrical energies you refer to as causing the problems in the brain and causing halucinations and such? these are demons as well they are affecting those around and can be picked up by the use of the electrical equipment. i would bet my last dollar that if you put all schizoideffective or mentally ill people in a room by themselves you will get this energy. for that matter all who are affected by the demonic will have this as well. putting two and two together sometimes it does make 4 Umm, INFRASOUND, not electricity is what I'm mainly referring to. Besides, how neurons function is via chemistry primarily, not electricity. The sound itself has a negative psychological effect and can cause visual hallucinations due to certain frequencies making the eye resonate. No electrical effects, and nothing that is supernatural. What I'm asking why is electricity being used as a detection criterion for supernatural phenomenon? Also, what the fuck? Mentally ill people concentrate daemonic energy? Umm, you have no understanding on how mental illnesses work.
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Post by Bezron on Oct 13, 2009 11:02:41 GMT -5
Nice attempt at diversion, but you're bullshitting and you know it.
Your very use of the word "judgement" implies both reward and punishment. The reward being heaven and the punishment being hell. Punishment for not making the correct choice (using the free will supposedly granted by god). How does an omniscient and omnipotent god give the option and then punish for not choosing correctly? Does this strike you as particularly loving?
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Post by nautical999 on Oct 13, 2009 11:03:34 GMT -5
sigmaleph
i am hesitant on this answer but yes. This is only an assumption and would take some research but i would say that since demons give us electrical fields then the psossessed would as well. it would take going to a mental ward and testing that out but i believe it could be proved
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Post by Bezron on Oct 13, 2009 11:03:39 GMT -5
blue you have again made some great points however the electrical energies you refer to as causing the problems in the brain and causing halucinations and such? these are demons as well they are affecting those around and can be picked up by the use of the electrical equipment. i would bet my last dollar that if you put all schizoideffective or mentally ill people in a room by themselves you will get this energy. for that matter all who are affected by the demonic will have this as well. putting two and two together sometimes it does make 4 I want to make sure you are really saying what I think you're saying, so: Do you really mean that the mentally ill generate an electric field? If so, are you really willing to put money on this? Oh man, just think of the possibilities! We could power entire cities with one insane asylum (or church)!
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Post by Bezron on Oct 13, 2009 11:05:57 GMT -5
Oh, and before you resort to that trick again:
I am at work and I have homework to do today. Any breaks in posting are as a result of one of those two things (or possibly boredom), and not as a result of the frantic praying that you are currently undertaking in order to shut me up.
Rest assured that I WILL be back.
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Post by nautical999 on Oct 13, 2009 11:08:25 GMT -5
sigmaleph
due to blues correction and explanation i would change to what ever it is he describes as the evidence. and in doing so it is been argued that chemistry is what causes the mental disorders. Why not bend that theory and state that the low levels of infrasound cause mental illness. Then state that demons put off this infrasound and therefore cause mental illness. If you get rid of the infrasound or demonic then it would get rid of the mental illness
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Post by Jodie on Oct 13, 2009 11:08:27 GMT -5
ranger Joe in some cases demons will put up a wall that needs to be broken down it is from generational sin willful sin or sin against the person. When it is the latter of the two the unforgiveness often times will place a barrier that we can not penetrate. without spiritual help,. that is why God has placed in the body of Christ those who intercede for others on the behalf in prayer. So you've decided that God has specifically chosen you and then turn around and use that delusion to give uneducated misdiagnoses of illnesses you know nothing about? Thus putting emotionally vunerable people in real psychological peril with your unsubstantiated claims of them being bothered by non-existant entites? You are a lying, sanctimonious peice of human scum. Oh by the way, how do you know that it is god talking to you and not a demon. How exactly can you tell the difference? How do you know that everything you believe hasn't been influenced by a demon masquerading as god?
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Post by Sigmaleph on Oct 13, 2009 11:09:15 GMT -5
Edited cause you posted while I was writing sigmaleph due to blues correction and explanation i would change to what ever it is he describes as the evidence. and in doing so it is been argued that chemistry is what causes the mental disorders. Why not bend that theory and state that the low levels of infrasound cause mental illness. Then state that demons put off this infrasound and therefore cause mental illness. If you get rid of the infrasound or demonic then it would get rid of the mental illness So, you claim that you could go to any person with a mental illness and detect a measurable infrasound around them?
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Post by nautical999 on Oct 13, 2009 11:11:04 GMT -5
bezron
i am in no way trying to shut anyone up it was an isolated incident that is it. As far as the choice of heaven or hell it is still a choice. wether or not you look at it as being your judgement when you die or not it is ones choice.
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Post by nautical999 on Oct 13, 2009 11:15:12 GMT -5
Jodie
there is a huge difference. Demons would not try to cast there buddies out. For a kingdom divided amongst itself will not stand.
sigmaleph my hesitance was in the wording. i have not studied the equipment nor the use of terms by the ghosts hunters so didn't know the words in which to use as far as describing the nergy or sound or whatever it is they locate the ghosts with.
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Post by Bezron on Oct 13, 2009 11:15:23 GMT -5
Your own god manual describes it as both judgement and punishment. Have you rtfm? Cuz you really should.
See, this is what irritates me about the pentecostals: you catch them in a lie or contradiction and they try to backpedal and detour around it. I suppose I should be glad you haven't tried to take a (symbolic) swing at me, like that pastor did. but then, he was pretty worried that I was about to take a good chunk of his church out of his grasp, so there was definite money involved.
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Post by m52nickerson on Oct 13, 2009 11:16:29 GMT -5
bezron i am in no way trying to shut anyone up it was an isolated incident that is it. As far as the choice of heaven or hell it is still a choice. wether or not you look at it as being your judgement when you die or not it is ones choice. ....and those choices were set up by whom? That would be God. He set up the system, so he is the one the has determined that it will be "Follow me or go to hell".
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Post by Bezron on Oct 13, 2009 11:19:27 GMT -5
For a kingdom divided amongst itself will not stand. you do know how splintered your religion is, right? Even within the "pentecostal" movement, there are: AoG, Pentecost, and Open Bible that I can think of offhand (although Open Bible may vary from congregation to congregation). The Children of God movement also rose out of pentecostals, which in turn rose out of the Jesus People movement among the hippies. And that's just one small belief set. Add in all of the various protestant and catholic sects and it numbers into the hundreds. Plus the mormons, who also claim to be christian. So who's right, in this very splintered kingdom that is often at odds with itself?
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