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Post by Oriet on Apr 2, 2009 3:35:21 GMT -5
I always wondered how they could say that contraceptives were wrong and unnatural but that they could advocate having sex and trying not to get pregnant at the same time. Do you mean the rhythm method? You know what people who use that are called, right? Parents. ;D Why? It doesn't work. |
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Post by Death on Apr 2, 2009 10:02:54 GMT -5
Do you really think that men want a heap of heap of kids they can barely support and from a young age too.
If having many children controls women then forced parenthood controls fathers too.
What I'm getting at here is that it's not ALL men but just the ones in power who are advocating no contraception.
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Post by The_L on Apr 2, 2009 15:57:47 GMT -5
2. Birth control pills are abortifacients that stop a fetus from clinging to the uterine wall, or something like that. That's the morning-after pill, not daily birth control. I know--I've been anti-abortion, pro--choice for years. (i.e., I personally think it's bad juju, but I'm not going to stop you) Other than that, you're pretty much spot-on. That, and I've read statistics from Catholic sources that say the world can "easily" support as many as 11 billion people (although technically this would require destroying a lot of nature preserves and rainforests). |
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Post by captainhooker on Apr 2, 2009 17:18:42 GMT -5
Do you mean the rhythm method? You know what people who use that are called, right? Parents. ;D Why? It doesn't work. Worked for me and the wife for 5 years. |
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Post by peanutfan on Apr 2, 2009 17:42:31 GMT -5
"If men could get pregnant, taking the pill wouldn't be a sin, it would be a sacrament."
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Post by wmdkitty on Apr 2, 2009 17:46:52 GMT -5
2. Birth control pills are abortifacients that stop a fetus from clinging to the uterine wall, or something like that. That's the morning-after pill, not daily birth control. I know--I've been anti-abortion, pro--choice for years. (i.e., I personally think it's bad juju, but I'm not going to stop you) Plan B is NOT an abortifacient. It prevents ovulation and/or implantation, thus preventing the pregnancy from *starting*. (Pregnancy does not begin until implantation -- ask an OBGYN.) |
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Post by ozznova on Apr 5, 2009 7:38:21 GMT -5
2. Birth control pills are abortifacients that stop a fetus from clinging to the uterine wall, or something like that. That's the morning-after pill, not daily birth control. Nope, some fundies say that The Pill does it, as well as the morning after pill. Yes, no one said fundies knew anything about biological science. |
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Post by JonathanE on Apr 5, 2009 8:38:00 GMT -5
That's the morning-after pill, not daily birth control. I know--I've been anti-abortion, pro--choice for years. (i.e., I personally think it's bad juju, but I'm not going to stop you) Plan B is NOT an abortifacient. It prevents ovulation and/or implantation, thus preventing the pregnancy from *starting*. (Pregnancy does not begin until implantation -- ask an OBGYN.) I actually got into a major battle with a fundy over this very issue. The finale, when the fundy said that it was possible/probable that the ovum could well be fertilized, suspended in the womb. Amazing, eh? |
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Post by ironbite on Apr 5, 2009 13:13:23 GMT -5
Plan B is NOT an abortifacient. It prevents ovulation and/or implantation, thus preventing the pregnancy from *starting*. (Pregnancy does not begin until implantation -- ask an OBGYN.) I actually got into a major battle with a fundy over this very issue. The finale, when the fundy said that it was possible/probable that the ovum could well be fertilized, suspended in the womb. Amazing, eh? That said fundy doesn't understand basic reproductive science? Not really. Ironbite-ALSO! Anyone who wants a belly like Madamscarlet's to be all distended gets a punch in the eye. |
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Post by wmdkitty on Apr 5, 2009 17:24:08 GMT -5
Plan B is NOT an abortifacient. It prevents ovulation and/or implantation, thus preventing the pregnancy from *starting*. (Pregnancy does not begin until implantation -- ask an OBGYN.) I actually got into a major battle with a fundy over this very issue. The finale, when the fundy said that it was possible/probable that the ovum could well be fertilized, suspended in the womb. Amazing, eh? Not really, they push the "life at conception" line to an extreme degree -- once the sperm hits the egg, it's a "baby". (Which is silly.) Yes, it *could* be fertilized -- but that doesn't mean it will *implant* -- it could just be sloughed off at her next cycle. |
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Post by JonathanE on Apr 5, 2009 18:41:36 GMT -5
I actually got into a major battle with a fundy over this very issue. The finale, when the fundy said that it was possible/probable that the ovum could well be fertilized, suspended in the womb. Amazing, eh? Not really, they push the "life at conception" line to an extreme degree -- once the sperm hits the egg, it's a "baby". (Which is silly.) Yes, it *could* be fertilized -- but that doesn't mean it will *implant* -- it could just be sloughed off at her next cycle. Which, to a fundy fuckwit, is an abortion. Pope John Paul II declared it so. |
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Post by canadian mojo on Apr 5, 2009 18:58:07 GMT -5
Ironbite-ALSO! Anyone who wants a belly like Madamscarlet's to be all distended gets a punch in the eye. <perv mode> But what if I'm the reason Madamscarlet's belly is all distended? <perv mode off> |
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Post by ozznova on Apr 5, 2009 22:29:41 GMT -5
Ironbite-ALSO! Anyone who wants a belly like Madamscarlet's to be all distended gets a punch in the eye. <perv mode> But what if I'm the reason Madamscarlet's belly is all distended? <perv mode off> FALCON... PUNCH! |
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Post by ironbite on Apr 5, 2009 22:54:31 GMT -5
What Ozznova said.
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Post by Sleepy on Apr 5, 2009 23:53:09 GMT -5
Not really, they push the "life at conception" line to an extreme degree -- once the sperm hits the egg, it's a "baby". (Which is silly.) Yes, it *could* be fertilized -- but that doesn't mean it will *implant* -- it could just be sloughed off at her next cycle. This makes me wonder.. what if the egg is fertilized but does not implant, and the woman just gives it off at her next cycle? Would the fundies start huffing and puffing and just consider that another form of an abortion, perhaps calling it some sort of "involuntary abortion", and complain about that as well? EDIT: I just noticed JonathanE's post saying Pope John Paul II declared this to be the case. What the hell??? |
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