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Post by truefaith on Nov 30, 2009 21:13:32 GMT -5
4 Step Perfect Proof for God of the BibleAbove all other claims on the uncreated Creator. Check out the short version of the 4 Step Proof for God.God said He proves Himself by observing nature. Let's see if He is right. 1) Something can't come from that which does not exist, so the universe requires a cause. 2) The universe can't always have existed because a) heat death would be far greater than it is, and b) mankind would have approximated into that alleged past eternity and not still be sinning to the extent it still does along the exponential progression of conscience we are clearly on. What other option is there than the uncaused (uncreated) created? Atheism is utterly destroyed and morally bankrupt because it has no answer and never will. You would have to be God (having omniscience) to know if God exists when you hold out having to know all things to be sure. You are saying you won't accept proof of God unless you are God. Wow!Choose the one true faith (true reality) that comes out on top from the ones that are accessible: Christianity, Hinduism/Buddhism, Islam. Obviously Christianity is the most personal because God reveals Himself in Christ. And only Christianity is proven by the resurrection proof and multiple resurrection appearances in various group settings. If you want to be eternally separated from God, it’s your choice to send yourself to Hell. Unwittingly, however, you lead many people to Christ and strengthen the faith of Christians because you are unable to disprove the perfect proof for God. Amen. Don't worry about who God is yet or even if He exists, just realize the universe needs a cause and can't come from nothing. Let me know if you have reached that point yet: contact me at Christian Chat. If you were to find a cause for radioactive decay or whatever, you would still say something else could have happened all by itself. Are you like a 3 year old? Why do you need to hold out to know all things to know if the universe requires a cause? Atheism is inherently self-contradictory, because it claims you need to be all-knowing to know if the universe can't come from nothing, but if you were all-knowing (the very attribute of God) then atheism would be false, for it denies God's existence and this ability of His. You are claiming you have to be God to know if God exists! That could be the most obnoxious, self-exalted thing I have ever heard. You don't care about logic and evidence do you? There is observably proven trillions of causes in nature and no hard evidence that something (in nature) comes from that which does not exist. The absurdity of false humility goes hand in hand with arrogance. Why shut your mind down to the overwhelming preponderance of evidence that is beyond a reasonable doubt? Thus, the reason you reject reality is because of your desire to remain sinful and in your selfish self which eternally separates you from the love of the One True God.
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Post by Art Vandelay on Nov 30, 2009 21:17:11 GMT -5
Didn't we deal with you a few days ago?
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Post by RavynousHunter on Nov 30, 2009 21:18:13 GMT -5
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Post by Mira on Nov 30, 2009 21:18:20 GMT -5
*yawn*
Same ol' god of the gaps bs.
Next!
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Post by dantesvirgil on Nov 30, 2009 21:18:43 GMT -5
Oh for the love of Ray J.
This thread is being moved to Preaching & Worship. And is on a very short watch list for trolling.
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Post by ironbite on Nov 30, 2009 21:27:26 GMT -5
We've seen this guy before. He's just using a new name and a new post.
Ironbite-ban him.
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Post by szaleniec on Nov 30, 2009 22:13:28 GMT -5
Because it's 3 am and I'm bored and suffering from insomnia. This should be good. Try telling the creationists that. Please show your working. If the sin in the universe is approximated by an exponential progression of conscience, then calculate the effect on the past eternity when Bob has sex with spherical frictionless sheep A. Show your working. Which contradicts your own premise, idiot. 150 million people would disagree with you there. Well, being God would tend to prove God's existence. Wow indeed. There are only three religions in the world, and Hinduism and Buddhism are the same thing! The more you know! How is this relevant? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weak_nuclear_forceWell, what the hell. We've had bad physics and bad theology, might as well throw bad psychology into the mix too.
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Post by Undecided on Nov 30, 2009 23:01:01 GMT -5
Behold, Troy, and quiver in fear! For you are not the only being who can generate long-winded and formatted passages that your adversaries will never read. Behold! >:-P
When it comes to arguments for or against God or, more generally, the existence of the divine, there truly is nothing new under the sun. All the theistic arguments (although they should really be called expressions of theists' intuitions) that I have encountered so far have been compiled into this handy list, with the usual nontheistic reversal listed directly below. The first block deals with extreme aspects of existence and knowing, the second with the purely philosophical arguments. - Argument from an Avatar
Theist: a possibly infallible physical entity claims incarnate and divine status, and therefore its existence is divine. Nontheist: claims of infallibility and divinity may ultimately themselves be decomposed solely in terms of extant properties of the claimants and the believers of such persons.
- Argument from Beauty
Theist: beauty may not ultimately be accounted for by the physical alone, and these unphysical modes of existence are divine. Nontheist: beauty may ultimately be decomposed solely in terms of the extant properties of entities which are beautiful and which find beauty.
- Argument from Consciousness
Theist: realisation of one's existence may be ultimately inexplicable in terms of the physical, and hence its existence is divine. Nontheist: such realisation may itself be a physical manifestation and hence decomposable solely in terms of the extant nature of conscious beings.
- Argument from Causation (Cosmological Argument)
Theist: the explanation (if time is involved, cause) of the aggregate existence of all physical entities may not ultimately be physical, and hence its existence is divine [this is the so-called "First Cause"]. Nontheist: the motivation of an explanation for the formation of such entities depends on experience and hence may ultimately be dependent solely on their extant properties.
- Argument from Degree
Theist: the extrapolated existence of an entity with the extreme in all qualities may ultimately be divine. Nontheist: the corpus of experience used to create such extrapolation may ultimately be based on extant properties of entities with such qualities.
- Argument from Desire
Theist: those wants without identifiable direction have a focus which may ultimately be divine. Nontheist: wants without such direction may ultimately be explained solely through the extant (psychological) properties of the entity holding the given desire.
- Argument from Order (Teleological Argument)
Theist: there is some sort of ubiquity of perceived order in an entity where none would normally be expected, and so the cause of such order must ultimately be divine. Nontheist: perception of order may ultimately be explained solely through the extant (cognitive) properties of the entity which perceives the order as well as the entity in which order is perceived.
- Argument from Love
Theist: love may not ultimately be accounted for by the physical alone, and the unphysical part of that existence is divine. Nontheist: love may ultimately be described in terms of the extant (psychosocial) properties of the persons who experience love.
- Argument from Miracles
Theist: events occur which may not ultimately be described by the properties of the events involved, and the remaining explanation is divine. Nontheist: such events may ultimately be described in terms of the extant (sociological and cultural)properties of the involved entities, including the propagation of information regarding the event.
- Argument from Morality
Theist: the near universality and homogeneity in humanity of certain norms with moral force may not ultimately be accounted for by the properties of humans, and the residual explanation is divine. Nontheist: similarity and variation in norms may ultimately be described by the extant (sociological) properties of entities which appear to display norms.
- Argument from Reason
Theist: the ability to judge the veracity of statements may be ultimately inexplicable in terms of the physical, and hence its existence is divine. Nontheist: such ability may ultimately be described in terms of the extant (cognitive) properties of those entities which have the ability to judge the veracity of statements.
- Argument from Spirituality
Theist: spirituality may not ultimately be accounted for by the physical alone, and the unphysical part of that existence is divine. Nontheist: spirituality may ultimately be described in terms of the extant (psychosocial) properties of the claimants to such spiritual experiences.
- Ontological Argument
Theist: existence is an ideal property, the divine has all ideal properties, and so the divine exists. Nontheist: posessing explanability in terms of extant physical properties is an ideal, the ideal is divine, and so the divine posesses explainability in terms of physical properties. Or, nonexistence is an ideal property, the divine has all ideal properties, so the divine does not exist.
- Argument à la Pascal
Theist: belief in the divine is ideal and rational, since such a belief aids the self where non-belief in the divine fails. Nontheist: belief in the divine is contradictory and hence not rational, since ascribing divine status to irreligion results in ontological difficulties.
- Argument à la Foundationalism
Theist: a belief in the divine a priori requires no justification, i.e., it is a basic belief. Nontheist: a lack of belief in the divine, being the negation of such, thus also requires no justification.
- Transcendental Argument
Theist: all sound philosophy stems from a worldview in which the divine exists. Nontheist: many aspects of philosophy have been phrased in ways which do not apparently depend on whether the divine exists.
I challenge theists to come up with new classes of arguments for their philosophy.
As is obvious, I too, am bored. Feel free to copypaste.
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Post by terri on Dec 1, 2009 2:19:20 GMT -5
(stonecutter)WE DO! WE DO!(/stonecutter)
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Post by Hades on Dec 1, 2009 2:23:27 GMT -5
(stonecutter)WE DO! WE DO!(/stonecutter) Now I'm going to have that song stuck in my head.
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Post by Rime on Dec 1, 2009 7:25:36 GMT -5
*Pats Troy on the head* I noticed three things about you, troll. One, you seem to delight in frustrating people by telling them to watch tiring debates, bad movies (well, unless you took it down because you were reported for piracy), cheesy videos and listen to vapid contemporary music, claiming they'll be a Christian by the time they're done. Funny thing is, given the entirely mediocre nature of the material you're presenting, you practically edify their opinion that you're just another con man selling yet more serpent oil, and then blame them for their failure to find any reason to agree with you. Like, oh, nautical999, although this time I'm certain that the two of you are actually different people. Two, all your links go to your website. It's as if you're obsessed with controlling other people. Coupled with your demands to watch bad videos and listening to mediocre contemporary Christian music, it's little wonder your success rate is as terrible as it is. At least Joel Osteen knows how to market. Third, you will pick any subject that someone doesn't agree with and turn it into a total flame war. Unless it's one of your sockpuppets. You even harassed the designers of the forum software for your website. Given your stellar reputation of doing this on every website you've chosen to troll, it is not difficult to see that you have no intention of discussion, but rather your purpose is to frustrate and otherwise amuse yourself at the expense of others. And when you finially can't get anyone to do what you want them to, you spam the same bullshit apologetic over and over again as if it's going to convince anyone to go to your parlor. Last. Conscience has appeared/developed at a finite point in time. Whether there is infinite causation or not is irrelevant. Heat death with such a massive object as the universe makes it equally plausible that the Big Bang might have been cyclical. It also makes no sense whatsoever to create a universe just to make your own fan club when you already have that.
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Post by agnosticantagonist on Dec 1, 2009 17:05:27 GMT -5
I don't give a shit about anything you wrote. How do you like them apples?
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Post by malicious_bloke on Dec 1, 2009 17:49:11 GMT -5
I'll have a spam salad without the spam, please
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Post by Rat Of Steel on Dec 1, 2009 17:57:18 GMT -5
I'll have a spam salad without the spam, please Well, 'ow 'bout the eggs, bacon, juice, French toast, spam, and sausage? That's not got much spam, 'as it?* * This is one of those incredibly rare occasions where I couldn't remember a movie quote verbatim. Please don't hurt me, o devout Pythonites.
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Post by Educated Stupid on Dec 1, 2009 18:04:31 GMT -5
You listed Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Hinduism and Buddhism. What happened to:
Abenaki mythology Akamba mythology Akan mythology Ananda Marga Tantra-Yoga Ancient Egyptian religion Ancient Mystical Order Rosae Crucis Ancient Order of the Rosicrucians Ancient Semitic religions Anglo-Saxon religion Anishinaabe Anito Anthroposophy Arabian mythology Ashanti mythology Australian Aboriginal mythology Austronesian beliefs Ayyavazhi Aztec mythology Bábism Babylonian and Assyrian religion Babylonian mythology Bahá'í Faith Balinese mythology Baltic polytheism Bambuti (Pygmy) mythology Batuque Blackfoot mythology Bön Brythonic mythology Bushongo mythology Canaanite mythology Canaanite religion Candomblé Caodaism Celtic polytheism Chaldean mythology Cherokee mythology Chickasaw mythology Chinese folk religion Chinese mythology Choctaw mythology Chondogyo Church of Euthanasia Church of the SubGenius Confucianism Continental Germanic religion Creek mythology Crow mythology Dahomey mythology Dahomey mythology Deism Din-i-Ilahi Dinka mythology Discordianism Efik mythology Eleusinian Mysteries Estonian mythology Ethical Culture Falun Gong Fellowship of Reason Finnish paganism Finnish polytheism Gabâ Gaelic mythology Gallo-Roman religion Germanic polytheism Ghost Dance Gnosticism Greek polytheism Guarani mythology Haida mythology Haitian mythology Hawaiian mythology Historical Vedic religion Hittite mythology Ho-Chunk mythology Hoodoo Hopi mythology Humanism Hungarian folk religion Hungarian polytheism Huron mythology Igbo mythology I-Kuan Tao Inca mythology Inuit mythology Invisible Pink Unicorn Iroquois mythology Isoko mythology Jainism Japanese mythology Javanese beliefs Jeung San Do John Frum Johnson cult Juche Khoikhoi mythology Kibology Koshinto Kulam Kulam Kumina Kwakiutl mythology Lakota mythology Legalism Leni Lenape myth-logy Longhouse religion Lotuko mythology Lozi mythology Luciferianism Lugbara mythology Macumba Mami Wata Mandaeism Manichaeism Maori mythology Maori religion Mapuche mythology Martinism Masai mythology Maya mythology Mazdakism Meher Baba Melanesian mythology Mesopotamian mythology Micronesian mythology Midewiwin Mithraism Miwok Moai Modekngei Mohism Mystery religions Native American Church Nauruan indigenous religion Navajo mythology New Orleans Voodoo Nootka mythology Norse religion Obeah Occultism Ohlone mythology Olmec mythology Oomoto Orphism Oyotunji Pawnee mythology Philippine mythology Polynesian mythology Pomo mythology Pow-wow Prince Philip Movement Proto-Indo-Iranian religion Pythagoreanism Quimbanda Rapa Nui mythology Rastafari Movement Roman polytheism Rosicrucian Rosicrucian Fellowship Sabians Salish mythology Samaritanism Sami religion Santería (Lukumi) Satanism Secular Humanism Seicho-No-Ie Seiðr Selk'nam religion Seneca mythology Setianism Shinto Siberian Shamanism Sikhism Slavic polytheism Subud Sumerian mythology Surat Shabd Yoga Tadibya Tangata manu Tantra Tengriism Tenrikyo The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster The International Church of Jediism The Jedi Realist Community Thelema Tsimshian mythology Tumbuka mythology Umbanda Unitarian Universalism Urarina Ute mythology Vaastu Shastra Vailala Madness Vodou Witchcraft Yazdanism Yoruba mythology Zoroastrianism Zulu mythology Zuni mythology Zurvanism
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