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Post by schizophonic on Mar 22, 2009 10:22:03 GMT -5
I'd believe it.
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Post by dante86336 on Mar 22, 2009 12:01:30 GMT -5
www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,509719,00.html If your computer doesn't burst into flames upon entering the site, you'll be fine. I have some idea of the development of the creationist v. science debate in Texas for quite some time. Frankly, I am disgusted at the use of political power for the purpose of forwarding an agenda like creationism. Of course, being a poly sci major, it doesn't surprise me one bit. But, really, why go through so much trouble passing state bills in order for your theory to survive. The theory doesn't stand and one's belief in God doesn't die upon accepting evolution. If you must do something about it, develop a better theory that makes more sense. Try something rather than relegating political authority to validate the theory. Of course, this is a more restrained response compared to what I really feel, which includes several expletives. Of course, I am an angry person. Again, I am a poly sci major. I hate to think what people with science degrees are thinking. Please don't use the word "theory" to describe Creationism AKA Intelligent Design. That... thing doesn't even qualify as a coherent thought. Just using the language that is being used in the debate. Then again, upon further thought into the matter, can it really be called a theory if there is no scientific exploration. Seems to me that the use of "theory" in the creationist perspective is only used to base the concept around a scientific language, thus making it a "science". Of course, because of the failure of creationism in the scientific field, the realm of politics, which has encountered some success in espousing fundamentalist concepts in a public setting, is the next route to take. And I daresay that they might succeed. And as much as some want Texas to secede the legal question over succession is pretty much dead, as the Court ruled that Texas is part of the union and could not legally secede. And any attempt to do so will probably be met with military force. Sorry guys.
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Post by wackadoodle on Mar 22, 2009 12:14:53 GMT -5
Texas can break into 4-5 *cant remember how many exactly* seperate states though. Now we just need to find a way to put all the major cities full of sane people in one state while leaving out the inbred bible-thumping rednecks between them.
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Post by Sigmaleph on Mar 22, 2009 13:10:59 GMT -5
I wonder how many institutions offering degrees in geocentrism will spring up.
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Post by schizophonic on Mar 22, 2009 14:46:08 GMT -5
I wonder how many institutions offering degrees in geocentrism will spring up. You raise a good point. What else can we make a legit "science." Now Hiring: Schizphonic's University of Considered Knowledge seeks professors to teach courses in the following fields: Global Cooling: How can the Earth really be warming when it snowed in Florida only a week or so ago? Flat Earth Theory: It is important to explore alternative views to the current "theory" of a round Earth. Also explored are the theories that the Earth is really sculpted onto the back of a turtle, and how space can truly exist when Atlas needs to stand on something to hold up the world. Human Reproductive theory: Training eager young minds to teach the real truth of sex, that enjoyment is a sin, and AIDS only happens to gays. CT 101: Explain the science behind the collapse of the World Trade Center, the physics of the moon landing, and how the stars really do control our future. No scientific background necessary. Apply today, and become part of our ever growing faculty of eager minds waiting to teach the masses in the least challenging way possible: Reaffirming everything they've been told all their lives.
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Post by MaybeNever on Mar 22, 2009 14:56:11 GMT -5
Even if this passes, colleges that give out such degrees will probably quickly lose their accreditation. On the other hand, colleges that are willing to give out science degrees in Nonsenseology probably aren't all that respectable in the first place. I hope so, anyway.
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Post by POSW on Mar 22, 2009 15:17:18 GMT -5
And you normal Americans actually fought and died just to be in the same country as these idiots... The single biggest mistake in American history. Sometimes I wish my ancestors had just stayed in Denmark. Sometimes I wish my ancestors had stayed in Hungary and Poland... wait a second. The Holocaust. Never mind. Come on, people, appreciate what you have.
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Post by dasfuchs on Mar 22, 2009 18:30:31 GMT -5
Well, assuming a potential employer actually looks at what a degree is in, I should think this would be sort of self-regulating anyway. It's not as though Sanofi Aventis is going to look at that Creationism degree and say "Finally! Someone can pray us the next generation of penicillin-based antibiotics!" any more than they'd hire people with degrees in Philosophy, Poli. Sci., or theology for the same job. I can see an argument being made that it will institutionalize a religious belief as science, but I think it actually cuts both ways. If you were to accredit someone in Creation science, then put them out in the real, scientific world, I think you'd swiftly see which "opinion" was based on objectivity. Sometimes the best way to show someone what an idiot they are is to allow them to fall on their ass. This isn't really my concern, it's the bumblefucks that will try to push it as science then because, hey, they have a 'Dr.' prefix now that's legit. I trust employers to hire who's best for what they need. I dislike the idea of giving a religion more credibility in the science realm
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Post by BenderBRodriguez on Mar 22, 2009 19:34:30 GMT -5
Theology yes. Science no.
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Post by Art Vandelay on Mar 23, 2009 2:41:09 GMT -5
Would you believe me if I told you that at least two people on the Texas Board of ED DROPPED OUT of College? Actually, that I have a little trouble believing. As Wackadoodle said earlier there are a good amount of people in the major cities who aren't total nutjobs. Why the fuck does the board of ED have to hire dropouts?! Well now that I think about it, it's probably for the same reason that they're constantly trying to drag their curriculum back to the bronze ages.
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Post by booley on Mar 23, 2009 12:31:16 GMT -5
I am reminded of thaT scene from Futurama where a robot van was asking for al scientists to meet to fix global warming..
Guy-I have a degree in Holistic medicine! Van-Then you have a degree in Crap!
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Post by deliciousdemon on Mar 23, 2009 12:33:40 GMT -5
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This argument is crap: sometimes a compromised should not be made. Creationism is not science, 2 + 2 never equals 5. Should we change the latter to 2 + 2 = 4.5 just to please a group of non-mathematicians?
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Post by Oriet on Mar 23, 2009 19:04:13 GMT -5
This argument is crap: sometimes a compromised should not be made. Creationism is not science, 2 + 2 never equals 5. Should we change the latter to 2 + 2 = 4.5 just to please a group of non-mathematicians? Well, for large enough values of 2, like say 2.4 or 2.3. But 2.0+2.0 never equals 5.
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Post by Damen on Mar 23, 2009 19:14:02 GMT -5
Well, assuming a potential employer actually looks at what a degree is in, I should think this would be sort of self-regulating anyway. It's not as though Sanofi Aventis is going to look at that Creationism degree and say "Finally! Someone can pray us the next generation of penicillin-based antibiotics!" any more than they'd hire people with degrees in Philosophy, Poli. Sci., or theology for the same job. From my understanding of this bill, it likely wouldn't read as a degree in Creationism but as a degree in Biology. However, I hope I'm mistaken about this.
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Post by dante86336 on Mar 24, 2009 8:21:45 GMT -5
online.wsj.com/article/SB123777413372910705.htmlWell, it seems that the creationism agenda is not only limited on the legislative front. it seems that the Texas board will vote on a curriculum change. And the chairman is a champion of evolution. And he's a dentist... Lovely...
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