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Post by valsa on Jun 3, 2010 19:10:52 GMT -5
No it isn't, not at all. It depends more on what group they are involved with than anything else. Which is why sheit like "the promise" always fail. Regardless of what, raping a child should lead to extreme torture ending in death, when i was in Afghanistan i met the kind of people who could do that just right, i suggest we send all pedophiles to them. If nothing else, the nitrogen rich meat could fertilise their ground. I didn't quote the rest earlier because it wasn't necessary. The problem was your complete dismissal of what valsa said. Even if she were only half right, you would still have been wrong in saying "No it isn't. Not at all." And here's one that mentions provocative dress; under Adolescents. www.zebracentre.ca/index.phpHoly crap, I forgot all about this thread. Anyway, here's another link for provacative clothing being a sign of possible sexual abuse. www.safekidsbc.ca/sexual.htmIt's under "in an older child".
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Post by 3andahalf on Jun 5, 2010 18:45:13 GMT -5
When I was 14, I had a very convincing fake ID that said I was 22, DD breasts and curvy hips, and could speak more intelligently than most adults around.
While out and about, a young man hit on me and we spent a couple hours chatting. He invited me up to his place and I asked him how old he was. He informed me that he was 20. I informed him of my true age and he backed right off.
Now, if I had chosen not to tell him my real age, and had chosen to go back to his place and had sex...should he have been convicted of rape?
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Post by DeadpanDoubter on Jun 5, 2010 20:10:31 GMT -5
No, the guy in your story shouldn't have been convicted of rape. But then, the 10-year-old in this story didn't have a fake ID and wasn't in a bar, she was in a FUCKING PARK. You know, one of those places where ANYONE of ANY age can go to? Hey, who resurrected this thread, anyway?
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Post by cagnazzo on Jun 7, 2010 16:16:13 GMT -5
No, the guy in your story shouldn't have been convicted of rape. But then, the 10-year-old in this story didn't have a fake ID and wasn't in a bar, she was in a FUCKING PARK. You know, one of those places where ANYONE of ANY age can go to? Hey, who resurrected this thread, anyway? Witch of Reason. Apparently. Also, most people don't ID their partners. Though the thought if pushing an ad campaign encouraging it is kind of hilarious.
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Post by DeadpanDoubter on Jun 8, 2010 19:45:04 GMT -5
"Card 'Em Before You Bonk 'Em"
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Post by erictheblue on Jun 9, 2010 12:18:22 GMT -5
Now, if I had chosen not to tell him my real age, and had chosen to go back to his place and had sex...should he have been convicted of rape? Should is open to debate. Would he have been, yes. Statutory rape is a strict liability crime - intent is not a component, only whether the act occurred.
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Post by letipex on Jun 10, 2010 2:49:14 GMT -5
Am I the only one who sees statutory rape as a really, really moronic idea? I mean, I had a 16 yo girlfriend when I was 19, we had sex, everything was cool for about a year and a half. How is that a fricking crime?
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Post by Vene on Jun 10, 2010 14:34:44 GMT -5
Am I the only one who sees statutory rape as a really, really moronic idea? I mean, I had a 16 yo girlfriend when I was 19, we had sex, everything was cool for about a year and a half. How is that a fricking crime? Good idea, poorly implemented. Making it so that an adult can't have sex with a 10 year old, great idea, making it so that a 16 and 19 year old can't have sex, bad idea.
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Post by 3andahalf on Jun 10, 2010 15:51:29 GMT -5
Should is open to debate. Would he have been, yes. Statutory rape is a strict liability crime - intent is not a component, only whether the act occurred. I used the word 'should' intentionally.
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Post by goonerboy on Jun 11, 2010 22:38:46 GMT -5
Am I the only one who sees statutory rape as a really, really moronic idea? I mean, I had a 16 yo girlfriend when I was 19, we had sex, everything was cool for about a year and a half. How is that a fricking crime? Good idea, poorly implemented. Making it so that an adult can't have sex with a 10 year old, great idea, making it so that a 16 and 19 year old can't have sex, bad idea. They can over here
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Post by clockworkgirl21 on Jun 11, 2010 23:42:00 GMT -5
No. And it's a sad world because he would have.
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Post by letipex on Jun 14, 2010 3:21:01 GMT -5
Good idea, poorly implemented. Making it so that an adult can't have sex with a 10 year old, great idea, making it so that a 16 and 19 year old can't have sex, bad idea. They can over here Where do you live, oh good sir?
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Post by perv on Jun 15, 2010 2:13:34 GMT -5
Should is open to debate. Would he have been, yes. Statutory rape is a strict liability crime - intent is not a component, only whether the act occurred. That's not true universally. Even where it's not explicitly written into the law, courts have sometimes ruled that a good faith belief the other person is of legal age is a defense. For instance, a while back, this case made news. A guy met a girl on an adult dating site, and after having sex with her several times, discovered she was only 14. Yet the criminal case against him was dropped. I don't have the details, but as far as I know there is no dispute that the sex happened. He was less successful when he attempted (twice) to sue the dating site, however.
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Post by Bezron on Jun 16, 2010 12:25:34 GMT -5
Once, when I was about 23, I worked in a very popular bar as a bouncer. My main duty was to check ID's, and I was very good at my job. One night, when I was off, I was in the bar hanging out. My co-worker asked me to watch the door for a few minutes while he ran to the bathroom or to change a keg or something. I carded two attractive girls who's IDs stated that they were (recently) 21.
When my co-worker returned, I began working my magic on those two girls (I was 23 and very very slutty). My usual moves worked surprisingly easily and both girls came back to my place for a...nightcap. We proceeded to do what 3 people will do when copious amounts of alcohol and hotness are combined, and then we all fell asleep (in a pile, like puppies...naked puppies). About 7am, one of the girls' phones began to ring and when she picked it up, I heard the following: "Hi mom. No, I stayed over at (whatever the other one's name was). Yeah, I'm just going to school from here. Ok, I love you, see you tonight." About this point, I began to hope, desperately, that she was either at the very end of her Senior year of high school (which might make her 18) or in college and just living at home. Neither turned out to be case. One girl was 16, the other had just turned 17. Being that I was 5 and 6 years older than them (and therefore unknowingly guilty of statuatory rape), I kind of freaked out a bit. I asked them both to leave my house and told them not to come tot he bar any more. Basically, I was trying to cut ties before it got worse.
It got worse (of course).
About a week later, the girls showed up at the bar while I was working. Knowing that they were under 21 and the penalties involved should we get busted with underage drinkers, I told them that they couldn't come in. The 17 year old threw a minor fit and then finally left. And went and flagged down a cop....who came into the bar to arrest me. My saving grace, and the reason that I am not a registered sex offender now, was that the other girl felt bad and admitted that my side of the story was the truth. The cop found and confiscated the fake IDs and even admitted to me that they were really good fakes. Also, he told me to stop trying to fuck everything that would let me (I didn't, but I got a bit more careful).
That cop and I went on to be pretty good friends, and he helped me to get out of a few bouncer related issues after that. As for the girls, I never saw the one who tried to get me arrested again. But the other one (who was the hotter of the two, imo) showed up at the other bar I was working at shortly after she turned 18. That time, I let her in (underage or not), and we dated for a few months.
TL;DR Sometimes, it happens, and reasonable doubt can be used as a defense.
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Post by Mira on Jun 16, 2010 20:37:17 GMT -5
Wow, Bez. You're a very lucky guy.
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