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Post by Thejebusfire on May 10, 2010 22:57:14 GMT -5
And that's why I prefer the greek gods. They ARE douchebags, they don't deny it and you can try to open a can of whoopass on them if you get the chance. (Only don't make any long term plans for afterwards, cause they will f**k you up mightily for it) Unless your Xena.
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Post by Dragon Zachski on May 11, 2010 0:06:59 GMT -5
I think I remember reading somewhere that originally Yahweh was supposed to be both good and evil, but the Israelites got hooked on the idea of having good vs. evil gods and so made God's left-hand prosecutor into an evil person.
No citations, but what do you expect from "I think I remember"?
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Post by tolpuddlemartyr on May 11, 2010 20:07:43 GMT -5
One of the reasons I'd contend that Yahweh appears to have been just a god, not the one and only god in the mind of the hebrews is their own writings. In Exodus 22:28 it says "Thou shalt not revile the gods, nor curse the ruler of thy people" and of course in Exodus 20:3 "Thou shalt have no other gods before me."
Yahweh is depicted as a deity, not the deity and certainly not the deity of "good". Primarily he's the deity of the Hebrews who are depicted in the OT as being bloodthirsty sons of bitches.
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Post by shadowpanther on May 12, 2010 10:47:07 GMT -5
I agree. Speaking a someone who's going to start a joke God-Emperor religion group when he gets to uni, I find the Old Testament as some sort of Khornate gospel among the other pantheons that are hinted at.
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Post by Mlle Antéchrist on May 12, 2010 13:18:03 GMT -5
I can't remember where, but I vaguely recall reading about how some of the words used to describe god in the original Hebrew versions of Genesis can be translated as either singular or plural depending on the context, suggesting that the author of at least one of the books may have been a polytheist.
Of course, there's a good chance that I'm remember incorrectly or the website on which I read about this was wrong.
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Post by The_L on May 12, 2010 14:51:56 GMT -5
Oh, you mean Elohim?
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Post by Ranger Joe on May 17, 2010 0:08:14 GMT -5
most religion call there god omnipotent. and even malevolent or a mixture of the 2. for example all radical Christians and other right winded religions groups have always said that lifes a test of some sort and only god can tell you if you go to heaven(or other form of salvation) but besides that, the The Riddle of Epicuris still is relevant to almost all matters for this simmple fact. if a god has made you than The Riddle of Epicuris Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? get it? In this epic technicality, Yahweh would not need to be kind and loving to be omnipotent. He is an epic prick and that is pretty plainly spelled out in just about any bible version out there. If he actually existed, whether he was nice or not wouldn't detract from the volume of his power. If God is omnipotent and has the power to stop evil, but chooses not to, then it's his own decision. Just because he would choose an unpopular choice wouldn't make him weaker. I don't understand what you're trying to get across here. You wont find many who will really disagree, but if you are going to attempt to refute the god of the bible, then it's likely a good idea to have a slightly more coherant argument. I look at these little snippets in the same light that I look at Pascal's Wager.
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Post by Elly on May 22, 2010 13:57:09 GMT -5
He was their god of war back then, I think.
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Post by Dragon Zachski on May 22, 2010 14:02:54 GMT -5
He was their god of war back then, I think. Did he ever impale a hydra's head on the mast of a ship? No? Then he sucks as a God of War.
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Post by Elly on May 22, 2010 15:01:42 GMT -5
Instructing people to sacrifice their children to him is so 20,000 BC.
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Post by MaybeNever on May 22, 2010 23:37:54 GMT -5
I assume you mean 4000 BC, Elly, what with the Earth and the universe not existing before then and all. Careful, you might get epic smote.
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Post by Elly on May 23, 2010 7:32:13 GMT -5
Smote? I don't know the meaning of smote. Bring on the smote!
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Post by MaybeNever on May 23, 2010 17:02:21 GMT -5
Oh, you'll be smote. SO SMOTEN WILL YOU BE!
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Post by Ranger Joe on May 27, 2010 8:48:04 GMT -5
I agree. Speaking a someone who's going to start a joke God-Emperor religion group when he gets to uni, I find the Old Testament as some sort of Khornate gospel among the other pantheons that are hinted at. The Emperor Protects!!!! I'd totally join that religion group. Kill the heretic, cleanse the mutant..purge the alien...
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Post by Vene on May 27, 2010 10:17:34 GMT -5
I agree. Speaking a someone who's going to start a joke God-Emperor religion group when he gets to uni, I find the Old Testament as some sort of Khornate gospel among the other pantheons that are hinted at. The Emperor Protects!!!! I'd totally join that religion group. Kill the heretic, cleanse the mutant..purge the alien... Oh hell no, Chaos>Yahweh
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