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Post by stormwarden on May 7, 2010 23:27:15 GMT -5
On the one hand, I am surprised no one brought up Amadou Diallo yet. On the other, condemn the cops and the stations that let it happen, and only those two things. Cops should be judged on their own merits, not as a whole.
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Post by aboveathletics on May 8, 2010 0:00:43 GMT -5
Fuck off, I'm not having a conversation with people who ignore what I say. I'm not saying cops are perfect. I'm not saying there's not issues with them being trained more and more like they're military. But those examples are not that fucking many. If you're going to do this, provide better data than a couple incidents. Does corruption exist? YES! Is it a serious problem in some areas? YES! Does that mean every bloody member of the profession is bad? FUCK NO! I could cite hundreds more of such incidents if I wished to devote the time and energy to do so, but that is not the point. Can you cite even ONE example of a cop doing something heinous and having the PD he belongs to condemn his actions and disassociate themselves from him rather than try to justify his actions? There's an old libertarian saying that goes, "If there were good cops, then there would be no bad cops" that's what I'm getting at here. There are evil people in every profession but cops are the only profession I am aware of that never repudiate the evil members within their ingroup despite the fact that it is their job to do so.
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Post by aboveathletics on May 8, 2010 0:01:55 GMT -5
Okay, alright I guess there's also Roman Catholic priests, but it's just cops and priests.
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Post by dasfuchs on May 8, 2010 18:29:26 GMT -5
Fuck off, I'm not having a conversation with people who ignore what I say. I'm not saying cops are perfect. I'm not saying there's not issues with them being trained more and more like they're military. But those examples are not that fucking many. If you're going to do this, provide better data than a couple incidents. Does corruption exist? YES! Is it a serious problem in some areas? YES! Does that mean every bloody member of the profession is bad? FUCK NO! I could cite hundreds more of such incidents if I wished to devote the time and energy to do so, but that is not the point. Can you cite even ONE example of a cop doing something heinous and having the PD he belongs to condemn his actions and disassociate themselves from him rather than try to justify his actions? There's an old libertarian saying that goes, "If there were good cops, then there would be no bad cops" that's what I'm getting at here. There are evil people in every profession but cops are the only profession I am aware of that never repudiate the evil members within their ingroup despite the fact that it is their job to do so. Because most cops that would commit heinous actions have already been reined in before they could act? I mean, it's just as much a fallacious argument as you have. Seems I recall an incident not too long ago that was a topic here about an out of control cop that the station put on leave because of it and openly stated it was bad.
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Post by HarleyThomas1002 on May 8, 2010 18:39:13 GMT -5
Vicious beast. He'll bite your hand off, I swear! Of course anything that was used to herd goddamn cattle has to be awesome.
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Post by Jodie on May 8, 2010 19:51:55 GMT -5
As heinous as this incident was I doubt anything will come of it. If there is an investigation it will be done internally by the police force and they will miraculaously ascertain that no wrong was done.
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Post by Napoleon the Clown on May 8, 2010 23:25:30 GMT -5
Hey, that Corgi would have hacked the CIA database! Haven't you ever watched Cowboy Bebop?
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Post by ltfred on May 9, 2010 2:08:13 GMT -5
I could cite hundreds more of such incidents if I wished to devote the time and energy to do so, but that is not the point. Can you cite even ONE example of a cop doing something heinous and having the PD he belongs to condemn his actions and disassociate themselves from him rather than try to justify his actions? There's an old libertarian saying that goes, "If there were good cops, then there would be no bad cops" that's what I'm getting at here. There are evil people in every profession but cops are the only profession I am aware of that never repudiate the evil members within their ingroup despite the fact that it is their job to do so. Because most cops that would commit heinous actions have already been reined in before they could act? And therefore no cops ever commit crimes. I mean, that's the only way that argument can work. If any cops at all commit crimes than the police force shouldn't block investigation of virtually every cop accused.
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Post by dasfuchs on May 9, 2010 4:58:33 GMT -5
Because most cops that would commit heinous actions have already been reined in before they could act? And therefore no cops ever commit crimes. I mean, that's the only way that argument can work. If any cops at all commit crimes than the police force shouldn't block investigation of virtually every cop accused. Read the rest where I state it's just as fallicious and argument as the poster I was responding to
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Post by tolpuddlemartyr on May 9, 2010 6:05:15 GMT -5
Ya know, if western industrialised countries treated the drug problem as a medical problem as opposed to a crime problem and ditched the prohibition model which works as well as it did in the 30's, we'd be able to send those black-booted goons after rapists, muderers and kiddie fiddlers. Just a thought.
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Post by MaybeNever on May 10, 2010 18:52:30 GMT -5
Ya know, if western industrialised countries treated the drug problem as a medical problem as opposed to a crime problem and ditched the prohibition model which works as well as it did in the 30's, we'd be able to send those black-booted goons after rapists, muderers and kiddie fiddlers. Just a thought. Sounds like somebody who uses the demon weed to me. Book him, boys.
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Post by djhollow on May 10, 2010 19:47:39 GMT -5
As heinous as this incident was I doubt anything will come of it. If there is an investigation it will be done internally by the police force and they will miraculaously ascertain that no wrong was done. ^THIS^ That is exactly where I'm putting my money (if I had any).
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Post by scienceisgreen on May 11, 2010 17:04:05 GMT -5
I blame the people who are supposed to gather intelligence in these situations. Apparently no one bothered to actually scope out the place before sending in the muscle.
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