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Post by the sandman on Apr 2, 2009 16:43:59 GMT -5
So here is a question, please no dodging, were did you get your number? [1] 39% refers to the approval rating for the budget, which has been tracked separately by a few different outlets for about a week or so now. [2] It's in the article itself. But thats not what you said in your OP. You said Obama has a 39% approval rating, not that the budget has a 39% approval rating. Oh, and Rove? Really? You're quoting Rove? The man is about as fair and balanced as Michael Moore.
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Post by A. Sapien on Apr 2, 2009 16:44:53 GMT -5
linkAccording to the article It's an op-ed. Not an article. An op-ed written by Karl Rove. Op-ed. Well that's certainly unheard of in politics. On another note, how is Fearless Leader Rush, and his apologetic underlings these days? Being pushed by the Republican party, who will say anything to scare the public into falling in line behind them. No it doesn't. If you're going to quote, quote correctly. It's 39% approval on the BUDGET. Not on Obama. Fears spread by the GOP, as I said, who seem to get a disproportionate amount of news time. Op-ed, Karl Rove, etc. SHOCK. SHOCK AND HORROR. The only ones shocked by that are the Republicans, who deluded themselves into thinking the Left actually believed him to be some kind of Messiah. Stop patting yourselves on the fucking backs. Op-ed... ...written by Karl Rove. Seriously, is this all you've got? You're resorting to a Karl Rove hit piece as a legitimate news source to try and attack Obama now? I'd say I'm shocked, but you've shown yourself to be disingenuous to a fault when it comes to politics. You don't care about the source, or the truth, as long as it's something that you can stamp your feet over and point at Obama about. I'm more and more coming to believe that the GOP are fucking toddlers in the middle of a tantrum, because they didn't get their way. Seriously, this is the equivalent of calling Obama a big doodyhead. Grow up.
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Post by CtraK on Apr 2, 2009 16:52:37 GMT -5
This is allegedly a response on Obama's part to growing national disapproval of his budget; Gallup says that he now only has 39% approval Well this is all bullshit. Also, 39%, you say? How very interesting.
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Post by Distind on Apr 2, 2009 17:00:43 GMT -5
33% said they don't know enough. Plus further brakedown of the numbers show that more independant voters think he is doing a good job with the buget. Anyone else stunned that 1/3rd those polled realized they don't know enough to comment? Most of those I've come across who couldn't tell you the difference between an economy and goatse split themselves along party lines. To think such a sizable portion of this country actually thought long enough to realize they don't know, that's a good sign to me.
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Post by dantesvirgil on Apr 2, 2009 17:43:29 GMT -5
Karl Rove is bitching about keeping score of how people vote? The man who engineered the current Republican party is bitching about someone keeping track of those who are "for us" and "against us" so that possibly...what?...they could be threatened with losing their seat because they didn't support presidential policies....
My, how familiar that sounds.
My first comment is, Karma's a bitch, Rove. My second comment is, It's Karl Rove--nobody's listening anymore, so fuck off.
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Post by schizophonic on Apr 2, 2009 17:43:32 GMT -5
Stunned? More scared.
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Post by ltfred on Apr 2, 2009 18:08:07 GMT -5
Gallup says that he now only has 39% approval owing to fears that the increase to the national deficit will outweigh any positive effects from the spending. I'll need an external citation for that, partly because I trust neither Rupert Murdock's good graces nor his hoinesty, and I doubt thast Karl Rove has any passing familiarity with the truth, even if he actually wanted to go into partnership with it. Furthermore, I have polling saying the opposite. But if it is the case that Gallup says this, it's very sad that Republicans have been able to brainwash the American people, and even sadder that Obama let them. "American voters say 51 - 45 percent that President Barack Obama's new budget, which doubles the national debt in 10 years, is needed to fix the economy and address issues such as education and health care, the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University poll finds. President Obama's budget wins 80 - 16 percent support from Democrats and 50 - 46 percent support from independent voters, while Republicans say 76 - 20 percent it is too costly." digbysblog.blogspot.com/2009/04/blind-salmon-by-digby-so-alan-graysons.htmlEdit: It appears that Karl Rove lied again. How surprising.
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Post by Armand Tanzarian on Apr 2, 2009 18:48:15 GMT -5
Skyfire, before you continue, please state again how and why a massive national deficit will override any positive gains from the legislatures Obama is pushing through now.
Come on, you and I must've taken at least some similar classes, so I know you can answer this.
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Post by Old Viking on Apr 2, 2009 19:02:38 GMT -5
Rove is a war criminal.
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Post by booley on Apr 2, 2009 20:28:01 GMT -5
Uhhh correct me if I am wrong but wasn't Karl Rove part of an administration that put Pacifists on Terrorist Watch Lists, orchestrated political witch hunts of Democrats and fired Federal Prosecutors that didn't play along with this plan to help the GOP retain control of the government?
Seriously, there are not enough W's T's or F's in the world to convey my feelings toward this.
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Post by skyfire on Apr 2, 2009 20:52:26 GMT -5
[1] 39% refers to the approval rating for the budget, which has been tracked separately by a few different outlets for about a week or so now. [2] It's in the article itself. But thats not what you said in your OP. You said Obama has a 39% approval rating, not that the budget has a 39% approval rating. Oh, and Rove? Really? You're quoting Rove? The man is about as fair and balanced as Michael Moore. That's the relevant part of my post.
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Post by skyfire on Apr 2, 2009 20:55:51 GMT -5
Skyfire, before you continue, please state again how and why a massive national deficit will override any positive gains from the legislatures Obama is pushing through now. Come on, you and I must've taken at least some similar classes, so I know you can answer this. As noted in a previous thread, the Congressional Budget Office released a report stating that if the Obama budget went through as planned, it'd bottom out the deficit. It'd take the nation well over 10 years to dig itself back out, and by that time the nation as a whole will see its credit rating slide so low that no one will voluntarily acquire American debt... which people need to do in order for the nation to dig itself out. It could potentially lead to a debt spiral that, in a worst-case scenario, will collapse the nation. It's for this reason that several members of Congress, on both sides of the aisle, have spent the past week or so trimming the budget back: so that we can get a stimulus going through without having such a massive deficit to accompany it.
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Post by skyfire on Apr 2, 2009 20:57:19 GMT -5
Sky, why are you so scared of Obama? because he has the mark of Cain, a rebel in the pre existence I see that once again I find myself being called a "racist" simply for disagreeing with Obama and being alarmed at his policies. ...something which, quite frankly, doesn't improve his image any.
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Post by schizophonic on Apr 2, 2009 21:03:28 GMT -5
So why are you scared of Obama?
While we're at it, why are you alarmed at "his" policies? From your posts here, you usually act like an alarmist based on things which usually aren't even true.
And why is your chicken little routine something which, "doesn't improve his image any."
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Post by m52nickerson on Apr 2, 2009 21:06:32 GMT -5
Skyfire, before you continue, please state again how and why a massive national deficit will override any positive gains from the legislatures Obama is pushing through now. Come on, you and I must've taken at least some similar classes, so I know you can answer this. As noted in a previous thread, the Congressional Budget Office released a report stating that if the Obama budget went through as planned, it'd bottom out the deficit. It'd take the nation well over 10 years to dig itself back out, and by that time the nation as a whole will see its credit rating slide so low that no one will voluntarily acquire American debt... which people need to do in order for the nation to dig itself out. It could potentially lead to a debt spiral that, in a worst-case scenario, will collapse the nation. It's for this reason that several members of Congress, on both sides of the aisle, have spent the past week or so trimming the budget back: so that we can get a stimulus going through without having such a massive deficit to accompany it. 1. do you have a link to that report? 2. How long do you think it will take us to get out of the debt we are in now? No one expects to get out of the debt in only a couple years. This is ignoring that fact that if we don't send money now to get out of the current recession, fix health care, change energy policy we will never get out of debt. Other countries will not stop buying US debt, why? It is because our economy affects the rest of the world in a big way.
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