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Post by wisechild on Apr 6, 2009 14:29:10 GMT -5
They're protesting Obama's refusal to cut taxes on the top 1% of Americans (those poor oppressed rich people!), because taking a pittance of people's incomes to ensure that others can afford to feed their families is EVIL. The supreme irony of the movement is that the original Tea Party was carried out to protest a tax CUT. But then, since when has the right ever let actual facts get in the way of their opinions? You can read more about the movement (and how stupid it is) here. Na, the supreme irony of this is most prolly don't know what the term 'Tea bag' means That is Free Republic (dot com), they have a seat at the table for the Fundies, but the website is secular - so really, they don't have to be "family friendly", I think the sexual reference is indeed implied. I can think of another secular website where Rapture Readians can go off and cuss out and be rude at Liberal trolls. Lately, I noticed the confusion between garden variety Right-Wing cranks and Fundies on this forum, of course, that isn't clearly defined, and is probably in need to be expressed with a Venn diagram.
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Post by dasfuchs on Apr 6, 2009 19:29:50 GMT -5
Na, the supreme irony of this is most prolly don't know what the term 'Tea bag' means That is Free Republic (dot com), they have a seat at the table for the Fundies, but the website is secular - so really, they don't have to be "family friendly", I think the sexual reference is indeed implied. I can think of another secular website where Rapture Readians can go off and cuss out and be rude at Liberal trolls. Lately, I noticed the confusion between garden variety Right-Wing cranks and Fundies on this forum, of course, that isn't clearly defined, and is probably in need to be expressed with a Venn diagram. When both share the same intelligence and retarded moves, it is hard to tell the difference for anyone
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Post by Old Viking on Apr 6, 2009 19:45:11 GMT -5
I've yet to hear a coherent explanation of what this is supposed to accomplish. It has something to do with taxes. But then religious and political fundies aren't renowned for clear articulation. My guess is that each of these parties will consist of a few dozen people carrying signs and walking into one another. But even if I'm wrong here, by the next day it will all be forgotten.
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Post by Paradox on Apr 6, 2009 23:10:52 GMT -5
Na, the supreme irony of this is most prolly don't know what the term 'Tea bag' means That is Free Republic (dot com), they have a seat at the table for the Fundies, but the website is secular - so really, they don't have to be "family friendly", I think the sexual reference is indeed implied. I can think of another secular website where Rapture Readians can go off and cuss out and be rude at Liberal trolls. Lately, I noticed the confusion between garden variety Right-Wing cranks and Fundies on this forum, of course, that isn't clearly defined, and is probably in need to be expressed with a Venn diagram. There's a hell of a lot of overlap between the two groups, especially at Freep.
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Post by rookie on Apr 7, 2009 14:02:52 GMT -5
I've yet to hear a coherent explanation of what this is supposed to accomplish. It has something to do with taxes. But then religious and political fundies aren't renowned for clear articulation. My guess is that each of these parties will consist of a few dozen people carrying signs and walking into one another. But even if I'm wrong here, by the next day it will all be forgotten. I gather it's supposed to be some sort of attention grabbing stunt to shed light on some cause or another that has knotted up these particular flavor of fundies' panties. What that cause is, or why it's important to anyone other than them, I neither know nor care. I hope this helps.
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Post by Armand Tanzarian on Apr 7, 2009 14:05:58 GMT -5
To them, TEA=Taxed Enough Already, which is a logical thing to protest against, except the people who show up at these rallies tend to be the ones who get their taxes raised.
Incidentally, Iowa's having a rally in 2 weeks. People will be throwing tea bags and barrels marked "Tea" into the Iowa river. Should be fun.
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Post by peanutfan on Apr 7, 2009 14:08:51 GMT -5
I hope they get written up for pollution, with the maximum fines allowed.
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Post by ltfred on Apr 7, 2009 18:35:10 GMT -5
To them, TEA=Taxed Enough Already, which is a logical thing to protest against No, it isn't. The US's economy is so screwed up precisely because you have both a historically low tax rate and are scraping the bottom of the OECD tax rates. People who want US taxes to be lowered should have to pay double. Particularly poor people who want lower taxes, which is, of course, suicidal.
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Post by Armand Tanzarian on Apr 7, 2009 18:38:24 GMT -5
To them, TEA=Taxed Enough Already, which is a logical thing to protest against No, it isn't. The US's economy is so screwed up precisely because you have both a historically low tax rate and are scraping the bottom of the OECD tax rates. People who want US taxes to be lowered should have to pay double. Particularly poor people who want lower taxes, which is, of course, suicidal. Did you see the section I wrote right after the comma?
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Post by rookie on Apr 7, 2009 18:41:55 GMT -5
People who want US taxes to be lowered should have to pay double. Particularly poor people who want lower taxes, which is, of course, suicidal.That's right. Because poor people would probably just spend said money by stupidly spending it on food and paying down their mortgage. Wasteful. We need a government to tell us where money should go. Also, we need religion to tell us it's a good thing to donate to charities. Because otherwise, how would we know?
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Post by ltfred on Apr 7, 2009 19:08:44 GMT -5
That's right. Because poor people would probably just spend said money by stupidly spending it on food and paying down their mortgage. Wasteful. We need a government to tell us where money should go. Also, we need religion to tell us it's a good thing to donate to charities. Because otherwise, how would we know? Okay, lets give an example of what would happen. The government lowers taxes, and then privitises services to meet the new income. Poor people get an extra $20 a month in their pay cheque. While this service was provided by the government, it was free. But now, it costs $50 a week, unless you want to do without. Which many thousands of people will do. If that service is important- say health insurance or public transport or something- that will not only significantly reduce the quality of life for poor people for a negligable advantage but also reduce overall productivity in the economy. And this is why poor people in the US, UK and New Zealand aren't better off than those in, say, Sweden or Norway. Also, the government tells you what to do. That's what governments do. But you tell it how and what to tell you to do. You have no control over the private market if you're poor. It's a very anti-egalitarian system. Meaning that, strangely, democracy is more democratic than the free market. Of course, a strongly regulated 'mixed-market model' is also much more stable than a crazy free market, much fairer than a crazy free market, gives much better incentive for work as opposed to luck than a crazy free market is more industrialised than the crazy free market and has less unemployment than the crazy free market. There is no area of social science where the dominant doctrine (free market doctrine) is so refuted by the available evidence.
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Post by szaleniec on Apr 7, 2009 23:27:48 GMT -5
Plus, there are some Fundies that are literally SENDING tea bags in envelopes to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. Well, at least Obama isn't going to run short when he wants a cuppa. They're protesting Obama's refusal to cut taxes on the top 1% of Americans (those poor oppressed rich people!), because taking a pittance of people's incomes to ensure that others can afford to feed their families is EVIL. I wonder what proportion of them are actually affected by this higher tax rate. I also wonder what proportion of those who aren't have been led to believe otherwise by people who are.
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Post by dasfuchs on Apr 8, 2009 2:46:56 GMT -5
Plus, there are some Fundies that are literally SENDING tea bags in envelopes to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. Well, at least Obama isn't going to run short when he wants a cuppa. They're protesting Obama's refusal to cut taxes on the top 1% of Americans (those poor oppressed rich people!), because taking a pittance of people's incomes to ensure that others can afford to feed their families is EVIL. I wonder what proportion of them are actually affected by this higher tax rate. I also wonder what proportion of those who aren't have been led to believe otherwise by people who are. Well, they are such hard working people they can afford to rally during normal business hours to make a pointless protest that just makes them look like retards. I'll bet a good portion of them use programs they consider waste without knowing it
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Post by m52nickerson on Apr 8, 2009 6:41:38 GMT -5
Okay, lets give an example of what would happen. The government lowers taxes, and then privitises services to meet the new income. Poor people get an extra $20 a month in their pay cheque. While this service was provided by the government, it was free. But now, it costs $50 a week, unless you want to do without. Which many thousands of people will do. If that service is important- say health insurance or public transport or something- that will not only significantly reduce the quality of life for poor people for a negligable advantage but also reduce overall productivity in the economy. That is why you raise taxes on the higher earners to keep tax income at a level to continue to pay for programs. True, but this is because of the social programs and not just because of higher taxes on the poor. No, maybe not the poor, but the lower and middle class do control private markets with how and what they spend money on. It depends on what you are talking about. Needed industies like energy and health care I would agree with you. Other industries really don't need any type of mixed market, although depending on the industry some type of regulation can be good.
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