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Post by Mira on Sept 1, 2010 16:00:36 GMT -5
If you do it deliberately then I think it does. But like I said, people are going to slip up with that sort of thing, and the person needs to be understanding, and not get all butthurt over people occasionally slipping up. Because it's not going to encourage people to make the effort if you make talking to you a constant nightmare of anxiety caused by fear that they might slip up and get ranted at. They just won't want to talk to you anymore. I think it's generally the case that TGs are quite tolerant of slip-ups. You learn to have a bit of a thick hide.
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Post by Admiral Lithp on Sept 1, 2010 16:20:36 GMT -5
It's a gender neutral pronoun, no sense in pretending it isn't. The reason it's not used to refer to people isn't because of some unwritten rule that it HAS to be that way, it's the same reason there is no equivalent to "zie/zir" in English: It just wasn't considered an issue in the past.
Many people actually do have a problem with it. Which I guess sort of undercuts my point that there's nothing innately offensive about the word it. But the reason I personally have a problem with using "it" to refer to an animal is because it sounds improper to refer to something that not only clearly has a physical gender, but you know what that gender is, as being agendered.
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Post by Vene on Sept 1, 2010 16:33:10 GMT -5
If you do it deliberately then I think it does. But like I said, people are going to slip up with that sort of thing, and the person needs to be understanding, and not get all butthurt over people occasionally slipping up. Because it's not going to encourage people to make the effort if you make talking to you a constant nightmare of anxiety caused by fear that they might slip up and get ranted at. They just won't want to talk to you anymore. What pronoun do you use for an intersex individual who is neither male or female?
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Post by priestling on Sept 1, 2010 17:30:24 GMT -5
What pronoun do you use for an intersex individual who is neither male or female? I have a friend that is intersex. More female (nonfunctional as it is) than male, internally. Malebits are... average, at best. Identifies as female, and she's more than happy to make that distinction to those that get awkward in trying to use gender-specific pronouns. She's also one of my best friends. I've learned a lot from her about how the world views the intersex.
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Post by DeadpanDoubter on Sept 1, 2010 17:52:52 GMT -5
@ Deadpandoubter: the "zir" pronoun is extraordinarily annoying. It's better than being referred to as 'it', as others have mentioned, and frankly I don't find it annoying and will continue using it when unsure of a person's gender identity (which is very common on the internet) or when that person has stated that zie prefers to be called such. I personally have no problem being called "sir", "ma'am", "dude", "chicky", "she", or "he" (I find it amusing when I'm called by a male pronoun in person 'cause I have gazoonkas AND a badonkadonk) but some people don't have clear-cut "I'm a cis-female" or "I'm a cis-male" identities, and I find it more respectful to avoid gender-specific terms when it's not 100% clear what they want. I also personally find using the generic "him" or "he" or "his" offensive because of...well, a lot of reasons. Call me an overly PC liberal hippie who smokes a lot too much pot, but that's how I see it. ...now can we get back to discussing bitch-slapping sense into people? Seriously, guys, c'mon.
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Post by Admiral Lithp on Sept 1, 2010 18:18:50 GMT -5
I don't even know what the fuck is going on in this thread, besides the zir thing.
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Post by happycheeze on Sept 1, 2010 18:26:55 GMT -5
I don't even know what the fuck is going on in this thread, besides the zir thing. Being a skeptic vs being a skepDICK
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Post by Napoleon the Clown on Sept 1, 2010 18:29:19 GMT -5
We really couldn't have taken the pronoun discussion to a new thread? I would move posts, but enough of them are about both the OP and the pronoun discussion it would just be a pain in the ass...
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Post by DeadpanDoubter on Sept 1, 2010 18:40:24 GMT -5
Blame the old man.
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Post by anti-nonsense on Sept 1, 2010 19:01:59 GMT -5
If you do it deliberately then I think it does. But like I said, people are going to slip up with that sort of thing, and the person needs to be understanding, and not get all butthurt over people occasionally slipping up. Because it's not going to encourage people to make the effort if you make talking to you a constant nightmare of anxiety caused by fear that they might slip up and get ranted at. They just won't want to talk to you anymore. What pronoun do you use for an intersex individual who is neither male or female? Answering this question, since it was asked in response to my post, I'd use whatever pronoun they asked me to use. If they didn't express a preference I'd use whatever pronoun fit my impression of them.
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Post by happycheeze on Sept 1, 2010 21:06:37 GMT -5
What pronoun do you use for an intersex individual who is neither male or female? Answering this question, since it was asked in response to my post, I'd use whatever pronoun they asked me to use. If they didn't express a preference I'd use whatever pronoun fit my impression of them. Goddam nmit people, start a new thread
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Post by brandonl337 on Sept 1, 2010 21:36:27 GMT -5
@ Deadpandoubter: the "zir" pronoun is extraordinarily annoying. It's better than being referred to as 'it', as others have mentioned, and frankly I don't find it annoying and will continue using it when unsure of a person's gender identity (which is very common on the internet) or when that person has stated that zie prefers to be called such. I personally have no problem being called "sir", "ma'am", "dude", "chicky", "she", or "he" (I find it amusing when I'm called by a male pronoun in person 'cause I have gazoonkas AND a badonkadonk) but some people don't have clear-cut "I'm a cis-female" or "I'm a cis-male" identities, and I find it more respectful to avoid gender-specific terms when it's not 100% clear what they want. I also personally find using the generic "him" or "he" or "his" offensive because of...well, a lot of reasons. Call me an overly PC liberal hippie who smokes a lot too much pot, but that's how I see it. ...now can we get back to discussing bitch-slapping sense into people? Seriously, guys, c'mon. maybe I'm naive but ah, what are gazoonkas and badonkadonks?
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Post by Vene on Sept 1, 2010 21:39:32 GMT -5
Boobs and butt.
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Post by Admiral Lithp on Sept 1, 2010 22:27:51 GMT -5
In other news, that kitty is fucking adorable.
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Post by Rat Of Steel on Sept 2, 2010 7:26:50 GMT -5
And you can do that. Whatever floats your boat man. Or, is calling you 'man' or 'dude' going to horribly offend your sensitivities? Well, being that Mira isn't a fat jackass of a cop (thankfully, a former cop nowadays) on some insane power trip, I'd say her sensitivities are pretty safe. ;D Sorry, I digress. Carry on with the discussion.
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