|
Post by sugarfreejazz on Oct 4, 2010 18:04:24 GMT -5
So Jeffrey Dahmer, Mother Teresa and a clown are standing at the pearly gates… Wait you probably know this one. I don't. Do share, pls. Not an actual joke that I know of but… Only one of them gets in according to fundy Christians. It's not the nun or the clown (poor Nappy).
|
|
|
Post by matante on Oct 4, 2010 19:27:22 GMT -5
Ok... given that I'm not very talkative, I might not actually say all that, but if I can word what I think, well I'd tell God that I want explanations. In my atheistic world, AIDS, Alzheimer's disease, earthquakes, hurricanes, and everything horrible that we can't control happen because nature knows no better. Nature is amoral, bad things happen because it can't know or care about our well being. If an omnipotent god exists, all these things are no longer amoral, they are evil. That god is evil, unless it's too stupid to understand the consequences of what it does. In either case, I can't accept its authority as a judge of my actions. If it wants to send me to burn, well I can't physically stop it, but damn, let that demon have the courage to do it in its own name and not under a pretense of justice!
|
|
|
Post by John E on Oct 4, 2010 22:19:58 GMT -5
In case you missed it. Now, I have two questions for you. These are direct questions. 1) Let's say it's sometime in the future and we're all standing before the God of the Koran for judgment. For you who died as a non-Muslim, Allah gives you a chance to speak on your own behalf. What do you imagine you'd say to Him? 2) Let's say that as you are dying, you are somehow able to see beyond this mortal coil and what you see is... nothing. You see that there is no god, no afterlife, no judgment. Would you have any regrets?
|
|
|
Post by Haseen on Oct 5, 2010 7:40:08 GMT -5
Even if you make the assumption God does exist, we have no way of knowing what that god is like. Therefore, religions are all but guaranteed to misrepresent the "actual" god, and what if being misrepresented is the one thing that really pisses him/her/it off?
What is the sound of Pascal's Wager asploding?
|
|
|
Post by Moon Wolfhowl on Oct 5, 2010 17:20:58 GMT -5
I personally am hoping to meet Duroc. I wanna be King of the Weevils!
|
|
jlujan69
Full Member
unenlightened, backwoods, no-count fundy
Posts: 113
|
Post by jlujan69 on Oct 6, 2010 15:09:38 GMT -5
In case you missed it. Now, I have two questions for you. These are direct questions. 1) Let's say it's sometime in the future and we're all standing before the God of the Koran for judgment. For you who died as a non-Muslim, Allah gives you a chance to speak on your own behalf. What do you imagine you'd say to Him? 2) Let's say that as you are dying, you are somehow able to see beyond this mortal coil and what you see is... nothing. You see that there is no god, no afterlife, no judgment. Would you have any regrets? Q1: I'd probably comment about his followers or some such thing. Q2: Hopefully, I'd have no regrets because I tried to live my life in a manner reflective of my faith.
|
|
|
Post by mokey42 on Oct 6, 2010 17:28:28 GMT -5
I'm going to ask that we borrow a page from Barney the Dinosaur's book and use our imaginations a bit. I'm assuming that all of you here who either reject the existence of God or the teachings of the Christian religion have made an informed choice. So, it's sometime in the future and we're all standing before the God of the Bible for judgment. For those who died in unbelief, God gives each a chance to speak on his own behalf. What do you imagine you'd say to Him? Well knowing he is a big Jewophile, if not a genetic Jew, first I'd informally say, "G'day, Puss Nuts! How are they hangin'?" Then I'd say, "Hey, has anyone ever told you you are a dead ringer for Jamie Farr? Fuck me dead mate, couldn't you have given yourself a smaller snorer than that monstrosity?!!"
|
|
|
Post by mechtaur on Oct 7, 2010 1:06:51 GMT -5
In case you missed it. Now, I have two questions for you. These are direct questions. 1) Let's say it's sometime in the future and we're all standing before the God of the Koran for judgment. For you who died as a non-Muslim, Allah gives you a chance to speak on your own behalf. What do you imagine you'd say to Him? 2) Let's say that as you are dying, you are somehow able to see beyond this mortal coil and what you see is... nothing. You see that there is no god, no afterlife, no judgment. Would you have any regrets? Actually, the first one isn't quite as expected. There wouldn't need to be any "justifying" since Islam is not a religion based solely on faith. Non-muslims are judged to the afterlife based upon how well they followed the laws of their land. So to answer, it would be best summed up as "I tried". If we were able to see beyond the "mortal coil" as you put it, that would confirm souls of some kind and would therefore mean that there is an "afterlife", it would just be a blank space. No different than wandering space. This opens up all sorts of questions. But to answer, maybe. I can't say right now.
|
|
|
Post by John E on Oct 7, 2010 10:04:40 GMT -5
Q1: I'd probably comment about his followers or some such thing. Would you say anything about your lack of belief in him? For instance, how would you explain your failure to believe? A faith that you just learned was baseless (hypothetically). What would be the point of living in a manner reflective of your faith if that faith was wrong?
|
|
|
Post by John E on Oct 7, 2010 10:12:22 GMT -5
Actually, the first one isn't quite as expected. There wouldn't need to be any "justifying" since Islam is not a religion based solely on faith. Non-muslims are judged to the afterlife based upon how well they followed the laws of their land. So to answer, it would be best summed up as "I tried". That's a good point. Allah is actually a lot more lenient with non-believers than most other gods. I was just trying to express a hypothetical situation in which is was possible to know for certain that there is no god or afterlife, a counter-question to the OP. But unlike theism, if atheism is true, there's no confirmation after you die, so I just threw some poetic language together to make a hypothetical.
|
|
|
Post by mechtaur on Oct 7, 2010 23:43:26 GMT -5
Actually, the first one isn't quite as expected. There wouldn't need to be any "justifying" since Islam is not a religion based solely on faith. Non-muslims are judged to the afterlife based upon how well they followed the laws of their land. So to answer, it would be best summed up as "I tried". That's a good point. Allah is actually a lot more lenient with non-believers than most other gods. I was just trying to express a hypothetical situation in which is was possible to know for certain that there is no god or afterlife, a counter-question to the OP. But unlike theism, if atheism is true, there's no confirmation after you die, so I just threw some poetic language together to make a hypothetical. One thing that should be noted is the difference between a "non-believer" and an "unbeliever" in Islam. A non-believer is someone who simply didn't ever get taught Islam by a priest. These people are whoever has never been a Muslim. These people are allowed into Paradise (provided they were morally good people). An unbeliever on the otherhand is someone who has been taught by a priest and rejected Islam. These people do not get into Paradise and are cast into Hell as a result, they are also to be killed (Primarily so they cannot spread corruption in Islam). This is important to know about Islam. I got where you were coming from with the hypothetical "Great nothing" with the second one. Just pointing out a flaw in it.
|
|
|
Post by Mlle Antéchrist on Oct 8, 2010 3:45:46 GMT -5
"G'day, Puss Nuts! How are they hangin'?" [...] Hey, has anyone ever told you you are a dead ringer for Jamie Farr? Fuck me dead mate, couldn't you have given yourself a smaller snorer than that monstrosity?!!" This is probably the most stereotypically Australian thing I've ever heard anyone say.
|
|
|
Post by Napoleon the Clown on Oct 8, 2010 4:25:21 GMT -5
Don't make me type something stereotypically Canadian. Because I swear I will quote Strange Brew on your ass.
|
|
|
Post by Mlle Antéchrist on Oct 8, 2010 13:40:36 GMT -5
Now what's this all aboot, eh?
|
|
|
Post by RavynousHunter on Oct 8, 2010 15:33:28 GMT -5
I'm taking a nuclear hand grenade (SHUT UP!) to heaven when I go.
At which point, I'll say to Jahweh, "In the words of you friends, the Jihadists, ALLAHU ACKBAR!" Then I'd set off the grenade and kill him.
|
|