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Post by The Lazy One on Apr 10, 2009 19:31:30 GMT -5
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Post by canadian mojo on Apr 10, 2009 19:50:34 GMT -5
Biden to the animal rights idiots:
"Just for that I'm eating the thanksgiving turkey, bitches!"
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Post by antichrist on Apr 10, 2009 19:59:37 GMT -5
I have three dogs
1 from the SPCA (used to be 2) 1 through breed rescue 1 from a breeder
The one from the SPCA is a good boy, but he has issues that came from his previous home. It also would of been nice if the people who dumped him told someone he was a chicken killer. Instead I find out the hard way, which was expensive and embarrassing.
Bear (who passed away last year) I got as a puppy from the SPCA. His leg was broken at the age of 2 weeks, it was never looked at until I got him to the vet at 12 weeks. He had mental issues from being weaned and separated from his mother too early. Face it puppies dumped at the SPCA don't usually get the best early puppyhood. He died at an early age because of the drugs he was on for his leg.
The Brittany was through Brittany Rescue, he's got so many issues, we're debating on whether or not to ever get another Brittany again. He's also got a genetic heart defect.
The Rottie pup I got from the breeder is the most well adjusted dog you could meet. 1. he was wanted and planned. 2. I know his parentage back 7 generations, I could trace it back further if I wished. 3. He was given every advantage as soon as he was born, the best food, the best care, the best introduction to things. 4. I was checked out thoroughly by the breeder, the same way I checked out the breeder. I shipped him from Arizona because we thought those were the best pups available at the time. 5. I know the genetic history of the dog. I know what his ancestors hips/elbows/eyes were rated. There's just so much that you find out about a purebred that you will never know about a rescue. Oh, and that thing about mix-breeds being less likely to get a genetic disease like dysplacia is a myth.
Animal rights activists want to do away with pets all together. To paraphrase PETA neuter, neuter, neuter until the domestic cat and dog cease to exist.
Sorry, it's a sensitive topic for me.
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Post by SimSim on Apr 10, 2009 20:01:08 GMT -5
Guh, just when I had forgotten about this story. There were rumors that the woman was running a dog mill. And I remember that sick PETA ad. Seriously all they wanted was a pet and even that got turned into a political issue.
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Post by antichrist on Apr 10, 2009 20:09:41 GMT -5
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Post by Art Vandelay on Apr 11, 2009 3:59:03 GMT -5
PETA: Embarrassing pretty much everyone who doesn't advocate animal cruelty since 1980.
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Post by skyfire on Apr 11, 2009 7:18:26 GMT -5
I've only ever had one animal come from a pet shop; all of the others have been rescued from a mentally ill owner or a rescued feral cat.
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Post by JonathanE on Apr 11, 2009 8:25:15 GMT -5
I do favour the outlawing/banning of puppy mills, and strict enforcement of the animal cruelty laws. That being said, the laws protecting humans should be enforced first. I have a problem, as does my wife, with the show dog breeders, who actually have severely weakened the genetics of many dog breeds. The cure for this is to educate the AKC judges and authorities who define breed standards to alter the standards to represent the behaviours/functionality of dog breeds and minimize the "appearance" values that dominate dog shows. My wife was a dog-show AKC breeder and show person for many years, and quit in frustration, after watching the genetic deterioration of many dog breeds, bred for appearance and not for health or functionality. The AKC has much to answer for.
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Post by antichrist on Apr 11, 2009 10:40:59 GMT -5
There's two different types of show breeders. There's the beauty contest ones. For example, since it's my breed, the American Rottweiler Club as compared to the United States Rottweiler Club which celebrates the working history of the Rottweiler. A lot of breeds have been separated into two lines. The Setters you see at a show have feathers that brush the ground, setters you see at a field trial are a lot smaller and have minimal feathering. The field setters don't do well at a show, and the show setters wouldn't know what a bird was if it landed on their nose. Beagles are the same way. And the Field Spaniel is what the Cocker Spaniel was at one point in it's history. Before I'll even consider breeding my dog, he will have to have his V-rating (Judged to the German standard) his SCH I, some obedience titles, and have his hips, elbows and eyes certified. If any of those don't pan out, then he'll be neutered. I'm a real stickler for dual champions. If I was a judge, the one thing that would be in my head is "can this dog do the job it was bred for?". Guess that's why I'll never be a judge. Oh, and Sky, buying a pet at a petstore feeds puppy mills. No responsible breeder would let their puppies go to a pet store. They'd rather keep them for the rest of their life rather than put them in a petstore.
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Post by antichrist on Apr 11, 2009 10:45:01 GMT -5
These pictures stolen from Seven Oaks Kennel and Dogs in Canada Show Gordon Setter Field Gordon Setter.
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Post by caretaker on Apr 11, 2009 10:52:36 GMT -5
Our cat is a rescue-cat. He and his siblings were abandoned at four weeks, so he never finished weaning and, as a result, drools every time he purrs. While it's not so bad now, he used to be fucking terrified of men - we can only assume it had something to do with those four weeks. He was the runt of the litter (and now he's bigger than next door's small dog) and was nervous as hell. After any loud noise, his eyes would weep and he'd hide under stuff for at least an hour.
Much of the damage, drooling aside, was repaired as he grew up with us. I can understand people's decision to get a purebred animal from a reputable breeder (show-animals are another thing altogether, I'm very GRR about such breeders) because, with dogs, it eliminates much of those early problems. Mind you, anybody who gets a purebred Siamese kitty is asking for a whole host of different problems x3
Personally, I'll always get a rescue kitty. Watching our kitten grow up from the terrified, traumatised animal he was to a slightly over-confident, sly, soft-hearted maniac has been beyond rewarding. But not everybody will feel that way, not every adoption will be that successful, and I don't begrudge the option of purchasing a purebred.
On the other paw, PETA and the dicks threatening this woman need to take a long walk off a short cliff. I'd never seen that link before, Antichrist >_<; I'm truly sickened. And I signed the petition, don't tell them I'm not in America >_>
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Post by antichrist on Apr 11, 2009 11:06:50 GMT -5
I remember reading once that for every human born in North America, 16 puppies and kittens are born.
I figure that I've already rescued my 16, I deserve to have a purebred. Oh and all my cats are rescues. In my adult life I believe I've rescued 15 or so cats. This doesn't include feral cats that I've fed that couldn't become indoor cats. One guy I know has between 50-80 cats on his farm, they just show up, but you can tell that most of them have been house cats at some point. He's doing the ear-nick (cutting a small part of the ear off) to tell the cats that are neutered compared to the newbies. I'm glad his vet is helping him and doing all his medical treatments at cost. Then again, his barns are completely rat free.
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Post by Bluefinger on Apr 11, 2009 11:19:27 GMT -5
I remember reading once that for every human born in North America, 16 puppies and kittens are born. I figure that I've already rescued my 16, I deserve to have a purebred. Oh and all my cats are rescues. In my adult life I believe I've rescued 15 or so cats. This doesn't include feral cats that I've fed that couldn't become indoor cats. One guy I know has between 50-80 cats on his farm, they just show up, but you can tell that most of them have been house cats at some point. He's doing the ear-nick (cutting a small part of the ear off) to tell the cats that are neutered compared to the newbies. I'm glad his vet is helping him and doing all his medical treatments at cost. Then again, his barns are completely rat free. My parents have had pure-breds for dogs, mostly cocker spaniels, with a golden retriever being the current dog at the moment (our american spaniel passed away a little while ago, quite saddening). Cat-wise, two have been store bought, three were rescued. One literally appeared at the doorstep, and my mum fed the cat every time it came by, before eventually making itself home. Reason it came by was because it had been abandoned by people who were staying at a holiday home nearby. The other one was rescued as a kitten from a motorboat exhaust pipe, after it had fallen in the water at a marine and clambered into the exhaust pipe of a nearby boat. Whilst rescued, the other challenge was that it was a feral kitten, afraid of humans and after being rescued from the exhaust of the boat, evaded efforts for the people at the marina to look after it. My mother (notice the pattern here), however, knew how to deal with the kitten and was able to promptly get it and looked after it since. The final one was taken from a lady who dealt with rescued cats, who was giving away the ones she couldn't look after anymore. 3 of the cats have since passed away (2 disappeared, and the other was poisoned :/ ), but two still remain.
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Post by schizophonic on Apr 11, 2009 11:23:51 GMT -5
My cats were all rescues. I have a friend who has picked up four pets to make sure they'd get a home. I'm in favor of adopting pets, but I can't understand why anyone would send death threats to a breeder for this.
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Post by canadian mojo on Apr 11, 2009 11:37:23 GMT -5
A lot of breeds have been separated into two lines. The Setters you see at a show have feathers that brush the ground, setters you see at a field trial are a lot smaller and have minimal feathering. The field setters don't do well at a show, and the show setters wouldn't know what a bird was if it landed on their nose. Beagles are the same way. And the Field Spaniel is what the Cocker Spaniel was at one point in it's history. Once upon a time dual champions were pretty common, but there was a 50+ year gap between AKC dual champion beagles. Pretty pathetic state of affairs when the animal was bred to be a hunter, not an ornament.
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