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Post by booley on Oct 25, 2010 0:30:25 GMT -5
... I don't have a problem with asking people not to have more kids than one or two, but forcing a purge or fixing people so they can't isn't the way I'd ever want to see it go. OF course I should point out that as the problem becomes more acute, we may indeed reach a stage where that's not only feasable but the only practical solution. Hence why I personally am all for reducing it now. OF course again, your argument seems to be confusing a position( we should reduce human population) with one proposed solution (autocratic one child rules) How do we even know that this a common belief among Peta members? I cant' find their official position what needs to be done to reduce the human population. And since we have earlier seen that even a radical group can have different differences of opinion even among itself and change it's position (such as Earth First and tree spiking), I can't condemn for something that I can't even be sure they really said. Ok In propaganda I believe that's called transference. Its' the same way as when someone points out that since Hitler was a Vegan then Vegans are Nazis. You have not show that Watson is the same as Peta. You have just asserted it. That doesnt' make what you claim true, however. Which is disapointing since I really feel that you are smarter then that.
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Post by Julian on Oct 25, 2010 3:23:37 GMT -5
I don't get it. Are they trying to say, that eating beef is as morally reprehensible as eating human? Because cows and humans have so much things in common??? It's a vegetarian thing, that animals are just like people. So since presumably you wouldn't butcher and eat Pamela Anderson, you should think of other animals in the same light. This is somewhat valid. I wouldn't dream of eating 40 year old malnourished mutton, with cysts, that had been pumped full of toxic chemicals for decades, had sacs of silicates and botulism neurotoxin physically inserted into its flesh, and had an extraordinarily high chance of having mad cow's disease. Needless to say, this goes double if it had been fucked by Tommy Lee!
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Post by Julian on Oct 25, 2010 3:31:34 GMT -5
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Oct 25, 2010 3:32:10 GMT -5
booley, go watch Penn and Tiller's episode on PETA. It will explain everything to you including about the arson. And it's kinda hard to say he got poor representation when he's teaching kids how to make molotov cocktails to burn down the "evil' factories that do animal testing.I am not exaggerating.
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Post by Art Vandelay on Oct 25, 2010 7:14:59 GMT -5
I mean, I guess you are reffering to ALF but I'm not sure they are terrorists. Vandels sure. However perhaps I am old fashioned but a terrorists kills people to make them do what he wants. Err, no. You're thinking of warfare. Terrorism means instilling fear to get what you want (hense the "terror" part). It doesn't nessecarily involve killing.
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Post by Mlle Antéchrist on Oct 25, 2010 7:18:37 GMT -5
This is somewhat valid. I wouldn't dream of eating 40 year old malnourished mutton, with cysts, that had been pumped full of toxic chemicals for decades, had sacs of silicates and botulism neurotoxin physically inserted into its flesh, and had an extraordinarily high chance of having mad cow's disease. Needless to say, this goes double if it had been fucked by Tommy Lee! Not to mention Kid Rock...
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Post by Vene on Oct 25, 2010 9:54:46 GMT -5
I mean, I guess you are reffering to ALF but I'm not sure they are terrorists. Vandels sure. However perhaps I am old fashioned but a terrorists kills people to make them do what he wants. Err, no. You're thinking of warfare. Terrorism means instilling fear to get what you want (hense the "terror" part). It doesn't nessecarily involve killing. Well, this example is the ELF, but I'm pretty sure it's terrorism. Also, firebombings. People here seem to be pretty willing to say that anti-abortion advocates are engaging in terrorism when they burn down a clinic, isn't animal rights advocates burning down a laboratory the same thing?
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Post by dasfuchs on Oct 25, 2010 11:35:37 GMT -5
... I don't have a problem with asking people not to have more kids than one or two, but forcing a purge or fixing people so they can't isn't the way I'd ever want to see it go. Not quite. When I hear people call for the culling of the population that could mean any number of things, normally it means killing. So killing off parts of the population or controlling birth. And never did I try to stick it as a common belief of PETA members, but a belief of many of the more extremist members Well, let's see, PETA lies, believes in redicuously extreme ideas, funds terrorist groups, operates with a double standard...Watson lies, believes in redicuously extreme ideas, is a terrorist group/person, operates with a double standard. I only see one small difference, while PETA pays people to go terrorize others, Watson goes out and does it himself. And yes, before you ask, ramming ships, shooting glass bottles of acid at people, trying to disable boat props, tryng to ram ice packs with people on them, sinking ships, etc. are the things he does.
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Post by Art Vandelay on Oct 25, 2010 12:02:46 GMT -5
Err, no. You're thinking of warfare. Terrorism means instilling fear to get what you want (hense the "terror" part). It doesn't nessecarily involve killing. Well, this example is the ELF, but I'm pretty sure it's terrorism. Also, firebombings. People here seem to be pretty willing to say that anti-abortion advocates are engaging in terrorism when they burn down a clinic, isn't animal rights advocates burning down a laboratory the same thing? Umm... Where did I say firebombing is not a valid terrorist tactic? All I said was terrorism doesn't have to involve killing, if anything you're agreeing with me.
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Post by Vene on Oct 25, 2010 12:03:38 GMT -5
Well, this example is the ELF, but I'm pretty sure it's terrorism. Also, firebombings. People here seem to be pretty willing to say that anti-abortion advocates are engaging in terrorism when they burn down a clinic, isn't animal rights advocates burning down a laboratory the same thing? Umm... Where did I say firebombing is not a valid terrorist tactic? All I said was terrorism doesn't have to involve killing, if anything you're agreeing with me. Yes, I am aware I was agreeing with you, I was reinforcing your point, not contesting it.
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Post by Art Vandelay on Oct 25, 2010 12:09:23 GMT -5
Umm... Where did I say firebombing is not a valid terrorist tactic? All I said was terrorism doesn't have to involve killing, if anything you're agreeing with me. Yes, I am aware I was agreeing with you, I was reinforcing your point, not contesting it. Bugger, it seems I misread your post. My bad.
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Post by aboveathletics on Oct 25, 2010 12:32:46 GMT -5
Meh. What little regard I had for PETA evaporated after their astonishingly vacuous "Sea Kittens" campaign. What little respect I had for them went out the window when I learned they kill about 97% of all the animals they "rescue". And those are just the reported killings. Nevermind they give funding to recognized terrorist organizations such as the ALF. 97% is a fucking lot of animals. That is literally tons and tons of meat we're talking about here. If they made burgers out of it instead of throwing it away you could use it to a)feed hungry people in Africa b) feed hungry animals if they don't care about hungry people or even c) sell it on the open market. This would reduce the demand for cows and hence less animals would need to die. They could also use the money they make for more terrorism funding and celebrity bribes! Seriously why not if they're just going to kill them anyways?? Fuck, now I feel like sending Michael Vick jerseys to PETA HQ. In all seriousness, "population control" is, has always been, and will always be a euphemism for genocide. The people doing it might, in some kind of extremely fucked up way have good intentions, but you can bet whatever they are trying to "control" is being wholesale slaughtered and/or involuntarily sterilized. This is why I don't like the UN, it's basically PETA for humans.
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Oct 25, 2010 12:45:50 GMT -5
What little respect I had for them went out the window when I learned they kill about 97% of all the animals they "rescue". And those are just the reported killings. Nevermind they give funding to recognized terrorist organizations such as the ALF. 97% is a fucking lot of animals. That is literally tons and tons of meat we're talking about here. If they made burgers out of it instead of throwing it away you could use it to a)feed hungry people in Africa b) feed hungry animals if they don't care about hungry people or even c) sell it on the open market. This would reduce the demand for cows and hence less animals would need to die. They could also use the money they make for more terrorism funding and celebrity bribes! Seriously why not if they're just going to kill them anyways?? Fuck, now I feel like sending Michael Vick jerseys to PETA HQ. In all seriousness, "population control" is, has always been, and will always be a euphemism for genocide. The people doing it might, in some kind of extremely fucked up way have good intentions, but you can bet whatever they are trying to "control" is being wholesale slaughtered and/or involuntarily sterilized. This is why I don't like the UN, it's basically PETA for humans. As an American, I must express my absolute SQUICK at the thought of catburgers and dogburgers.
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Post by SCarpelan on Oct 25, 2010 12:52:55 GMT -5
In all seriousness, "population control" is, has always been, and will always be a euphemism for genocide. The people doing it might, in some kind of extremely fucked up way have good intentions, but you can bet whatever they are trying to "control" is being wholesale slaughtered and/or involuntarily sterilized. This is why I don't like the UN, it's basically PETA for humans. So educating the women in developing countries and teaching people about contraceptives is genocide?
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Post by Rime on Oct 25, 2010 13:01:39 GMT -5
Meh. What little regard I had for PETA evaporated after their astonishingly vacuous "Sea Kittens" campaign. It's happened to me earlier with their Bad Cats ad.
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