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Post by dasfuchs on Mar 2, 2009 4:39:59 GMT -5
They'll just claim they were conditioned to respond. If you tested their offspring next, fundies would just say they passed down the conditioning....after all, they are experts of how conditioning works
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Post by Shano on Mar 2, 2009 12:07:27 GMT -5
It can be argued that animals that rear their young aren't taking care of their offspring for moral reasons, but rather for simple biological reasons. To make sure that their offspring grows up and reproduces. This ensures that that some of the parent's genes are passed on. And human morals are different from that how? One could propose types of behavior that could be considered examples of moral reasons in upbringing. One such would be adoption, another taking care of (severely) handicapped offspring. The further arguments would involve finding and explaining similar behavior in other animals and either using it to prove they are moral as well, or finding biological/evolutionary reasons for it and by proxy applying them to humans.
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Post by antichrist on Mar 2, 2009 22:02:47 GMT -5
Well as Thunderfoot pointed out on one of his recent videos, why don't piranhas rip each other apart? Why do cats crap in a litterbox and not all over my house? What about my one cat that fostered an abandoned litter after her litter was weaned (she went bald after that, poor girl).
A dominant hyena female will sometimes steal and raise a subordinate females pups(?) rather than kill them. Who knows why.
When you bring a new dog home, if you have multiple dogs, they adopt the new one into the pack (for the most part).
I really don't see a lot of difference, other than we can try and rationalize our behaviours.
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Post by MSTKL on Mar 8, 2009 16:10:21 GMT -5
And human morals are different from that how? One could propose types of behavior that could be considered examples of moral reasons in upbringing. One such would be adoption, another taking care of (severely) handicapped offspring. The further arguments would involve finding and explaining similar behavior in other animals and either using it to prove they are moral as well, or finding biological/evolutionary reasons for it and by proxy applying them to humans. Well I'd say morals are just an evolutionary trick to get a species to survive longer. A kind of 'group selection' or some such science-y gibberish.
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Post by deliciousdemon on Mar 9, 2009 9:25:58 GMT -5
Old news from a primatologists perspective I think, these sorts of ideas have been flying around for ages (read: 5 years). But I highly recommend Frans de Waal's Primates and Philosophers for anyone interested in the subject; very well written and he has even included responses to his ideas which is very holistic.
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