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Post by SimSim on Mar 4, 2009 21:22:57 GMT -5
I agree in theory, but I just don't see it being practical. There is already so much bureaucracy in place that stalls action. I can only see this making it worse. ETA: I see simsim pointed out it was unconstitutional. I did not know this. I'd appreciate a citation. Ask and ye shall recieve. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_v._City_of_New_York
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Post by skyfire on Mar 5, 2009 9:37:14 GMT -5
Skyfire, the line item veto would make sense for the president to have, in fact Clinton got that power in 95 or 96 to fight "pork barrel spending". But it was deemed unconstitutional by the Supreme Court in 98. Noticible difference: State law limits it to the budget and nothing else. The line-item veto that Clinton had was carte blanche. That's why I'm saying that if the line-item veto would pop back up then the law would be written to restrict it to matters involving the budget.
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Post by schizophonic on Mar 5, 2009 12:13:01 GMT -5
Except it would still fall under the prior ruling. Carte Blanche or otherwise, the Constitution's clear on how the procedure works.
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Post by ironbite on Mar 5, 2009 14:42:42 GMT -5
Constitution is how this country should be run. Not just based on the whims of whoever's in office. We had 8 years of that and look at us now.
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Post by m52nickerson on Mar 5, 2009 22:16:28 GMT -5
I could almost see the line item veto power for the budget. The budget bills themselves are a bit different then most. For one they can't be filibustered.
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Post by MaybeNever on Mar 5, 2009 22:40:57 GMT -5
Hm. Linen item veto. I don't know why I find that idea so hilarious.
I do wonder why direct democracy isn't increasingly incorporated into these sorts of things. Sure, the logistics would be problematic, but why are we still struggling under an archaic system that's gotten out of hand. Let the people have a direct voice in how their taxes are spent (besides "stuff the government thinks is a good idea and/or can get away with"). Modern technology makes this entirely practical provided a decent system could be worked out. And I think it could.
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Post by ironbite on Mar 5, 2009 22:55:05 GMT -5
I"m sorry but...linen item veto?
Ironbite-BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
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Post by m52nickerson on Mar 5, 2009 22:57:17 GMT -5
Hm. Linen item veto. I don't know why I find that idea so hilarious. I do wonder why direct democracy isn't increasingly incorporated into these sorts of things. Sure, the logistics would be problematic, but why are we still struggling under an archaic system that's gotten out of hand. Let the people have a direct voice in how their taxes are spent (besides "stuff the government thinks is a good idea and/or can get away with"). Modern technology makes this entirely practical provided a decent system could be worked out. And I think it could. .....because direct democracy gets us things like Prop 8 in California!
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Post by MaybeNever on Mar 5, 2009 23:04:38 GMT -5
I"m sorry but...linen item veto? Ironbite-BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Not a typo. Hm. Linen item veto. I don't know why I find that idea so hilarious. I do wonder why direct democracy isn't increasingly incorporated into these sorts of things. Sure, the logistics would be problematic, but why are we still struggling under an archaic system that's gotten out of hand. Let the people have a direct voice in how their taxes are spent (besides "stuff the government thinks is a good idea and/or can get away with"). Modern technology makes this entirely practical provided a decent system could be worked out. And I think it could. .....because direct democracy gets us things like Prop 8 in California! And like President Obama. It is inevitably a mixed blessing, but our governmental system was established at a time when getting people together to vote once a year was a major issue. Federal Republics are all to the good, but there are better methods open to us with technology. I also think we should go to a proportionally representative parliament, but that's neither here nor there.
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Post by m52nickerson on Mar 5, 2009 23:17:36 GMT -5
The major problem is that the majority of people would not vote for things that cost them money, even if they were needed. Elected officials can sometimes make those decisions and still continue there careers.
.....that and I like having a chance to elect people smarter then myself to run things.
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Post by schizophonic on Mar 5, 2009 23:19:59 GMT -5
Hm. Linen item veto. I don't know why I find that idea so hilarious. I do wonder why direct democracy isn't increasingly incorporated into these sorts of things. Sure, the logistics would be problematic, but why are we still struggling under an archaic system that's gotten out of hand. Let the people have a direct voice in how their taxes are spent (besides "stuff the government thinks is a good idea and/or can get away with"). Modern technology makes this entirely practical provided a decent system could be worked out. And I think it could. .....because direct democracy gets us things like Prop 8 in California! Direct Democracy would also see a lot more skewing in terms of military over social projects, for example.
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Post by antichrist on Mar 5, 2009 23:26:12 GMT -5
Line item veto actually makes me nervous. Yeah it has it's good points, but would you want Bush to have that power?
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Post by schizophonic on Mar 5, 2009 23:42:48 GMT -5
No, but I wouldn't want him to have the power to decide the next flavor of Gatorade, either.
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Post by antichrist on Mar 5, 2009 23:45:01 GMT -5
No, but I wouldn't want him to have the power to decide the next flavor of Gatorade, either. Touché
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Post by Pookie on Mar 6, 2009 9:11:45 GMT -5
The state of Texas has it that the governor holds limited line-item veto powers. Specifically, whenever the budget for the state comes across the governor's desk, said governor has the right to line out individual expenditures while still retaining the bulk of the budget. As a counter-balance, the legislature can vote the items back in place with a high enough majority. The state of Texas also has one of the WEAKEST governorships in the entire United States. If they didn't have line-item veto powers, they wouldn't really have much of anything.
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