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Post by stormwarden on Mar 4, 2009 1:50:01 GMT -5
www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29493021/Special notes: 1) He is more popular than his policies, mainly because people feel that he inherited the problem from the last president. 2) The Repub's approval rating is at an all-time low. 3) All that said, a lot of people are concerned about the spending. Here is to hoping the damage can be mitigated and the economy can start healing...
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Post by Pookie on Mar 4, 2009 8:21:33 GMT -5
I'm just wondering where exactly the money's going. I don't keep 100% up to date on the political agenda on any given day, but last I checked they still had not made the provisions of the stimulus package open to the public.
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Post by m52nickerson on Mar 4, 2009 8:41:25 GMT -5
The whole stimulus package is available on the US government website in a PDF. Now if you are talking about the decisions on how the funds will be spent within the individual projects, I think that will largely be up to the individual states.
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Post by Green-Eyed Lilo on Mar 4, 2009 9:18:43 GMT -5
I am concerned about the spending, too. But honestly, I respect that he's trying...anything...and am pissed at the Republicans for not even coming up with any ideas of their own. Saying "no, no, no" to everything a Democrat says is not helpful by itself. The Republicans deserve what they're getting.
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Post by schizophonic on Mar 4, 2009 9:30:36 GMT -5
Spending money may be the only solution, since not spending it doesn't really help right now. I don't know how to do this otherwise, and while I'm apprehensive as to where the money is going, I kinda have to hope that this works.
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Post by headache on Mar 4, 2009 11:44:10 GMT -5
The right want spending to increase, but not government spending. I say, any spending used to get people back into work and enables them to service their debt, is good spending.
The problem with the right, is their allergy to government. It's a sick attitude based on ideology and not reality and it's a great problem for the progress of the country and people see that clearly. The problem is grasping the opportunity and driving through change no matter how much Rush and his idiots are screaming. It takes some spine to do that.
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Post by Pookie on Mar 4, 2009 13:39:40 GMT -5
What disturbs me about the right wing right now is that some of them (I won't be as radical as Rush by insisting it's all of them) actually want Obama to fail at stimulating the economy for one reason or another (because he's black, because he's a democrat, because he's the antichrist, whatever).
Why on EARTH would you want the economy to get worse? Whether people like the man or not, I would expect everybody to root for him and his policies if only to get through the slump in a timely manner.
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Post by ironbite on Mar 4, 2009 13:44:44 GMT -5
They don't want the economy to get worse though. They just don't want the Democrats to have one shred of credit for fixing it that's all.
Ironbite-pretty stupid ideology but that's the basic thought going on through some of these idiots minds.
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Post by schizophonic on Mar 4, 2009 14:29:52 GMT -5
What disturbs me about the right wing right now is that some of them (I won't be as radical as Rush by insisting it's all of them) actually want Obama to fail at stimulating the economy for one reason or another (because he's black, because he's a democrat, because he's the antichrist, whatever). Why on EARTH would you want the economy to get worse? Whether people like the man or not, I would expect everybody to root for him and his policies if only to get through the slump in a timely manner. I think they mostly want him to fail on paper, not really thinking about the whole bit where if we fail, it has real world repercussions. It's so much easier to deal with life when you don't think things through. Besides, the people making the big claims don't have to live in the same world as us. Not even counting Rush's Oxy addiction, we're talking about rich people who will manage no matter how many of us lose our jobs, homes, etc. Well, short of a full on revolution. schiz--dibs on the pitchforks.
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Post by MaybeNever on Mar 4, 2009 14:39:10 GMT -5
Obama and the Dems are employing purest Keynesian economics, which served the country very well for, uh... almost fifty years? Even the Republicans were on-board pre-Reagan, and things were constantly getting better for people. Meanwhile, real wages have barely risen since about 1982 or so (one percent? Maybe less with these economic issues) except among the most powerful executives, who infamously make an average of, like, 500 times what their employees do versus forty-something times in the '70s.. There's nothing wrong with getting rich, as long as the prosperity is shared.
With any luck we can (once again) show people just how effective Keynesian methods are and start letting the whole country, especially the middle class, prosper instead of the top five or ten percent.
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Post by MozMode on Mar 4, 2009 17:49:29 GMT -5
I am concerned about the spending, too. But honestly, I respect that he's trying...anything...and am pissed at the Republicans for not even coming up with any ideas of their own. Saying "no, no, no" to everything a Democrat says is not helpful by itself. The Republicans deserve what they're getting. Exactly. The man has been in office not even 2 months, he inherited this horrible financial situation from Shrub & Co and now he's got to do SOMETHING. ANYTHING. If the Repubs don't like his ideas, fine, they have a right to disagree. But if you're going to openly disagree, then come up with better ideas! Don't just say "no, no, no" and throw around "tax cuts! tax cuts!" unless you have a better idea that you think will work. The problem with Repubs is that they never have something that will work. They always disagree but never have a plan. They can't, because for the last 8 years none of the Repub talking points have WORKED. None of those magical "tax cuts" have worked.
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Post by ironbite on Mar 4, 2009 18:01:17 GMT -5
Exactly. I've been saying for awhile now that all the GOP is doing right now is sitting with their fingers in their ears, screaming at the top of their lungs "TAX CUTS! TAX CUTS! TAX CUTS! TAX CUTS! TAX CUTS!" because it's easier then actually comeing up with anything new.
Ironbite-too bad that doesn't work.
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Post by JonathanE on Mar 4, 2009 21:42:23 GMT -5
It is getting harder for the GOP to find people who self-identify as Republican. The poll was interesting in that it shows the bankruptcy of GOP policies is finally being understood by voters. That is a great thing. Thanks George, Dick, Karl and the rest of the GOP bobble-heads in congress. Keep up the good fight!
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Post by m52nickerson on Mar 4, 2009 22:00:02 GMT -5
Exactly. I've been saying for awhile now that all the GOP is doing right now is sitting with their fingers in their ears, screaming at the top of their lungs "TAX CUTS! TAX CUTS! TAX CUTS! TAX CUTS! TAX CUTS!" because it's easier then actually comeing up with anything new. Ironbite-too bad that doesn't work. .......because unemployed people don't pay taxes. Or X% of Zero is Zero.
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Post by stormwarden on Mar 4, 2009 22:14:24 GMT -5
You know what would be nice?
Jobs. You know, where you work at some place doing something and get paid for it? But not just any set of jobs, mind. How about jobs with wages you can LIVE on, without worrying about an emergency trip to the doc or having to cough up cash at a bad time.
Hopefully Obama, and others, can get the ball rolling on that, instead of dealing in the clusterfuck we call Reaganomics...
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