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Post by Kit Walker on Apr 26, 2011 15:23:46 GMT -5
I dunno, I wouldn't mind hearing exactly how the injunction is worded and how the protester's argument was worded. If there is a limit to how many protesters can be outside the clinic (not just "people"), and the children weren't part of the protest (which would mean they are in no way being used to further the protester argument, and I find it highly unlikely that the kids weren't being used a props which renders my whole point here moot), they could have a point. Could. Maybe. Highly unlikely.
I'd just like to see a source without an apparent vested interest in this case and issue (like a newspaper) give the story. Which, since this is more "amusing anecdote" than "story", ain't happening.
I do agree it is moronic to argue to argue in those terms when you're holding a sign saying a fetus is a person, even if that isn't how they meant it.
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Post by m52nickerson on Apr 26, 2011 15:25:36 GMT -5
Really it is not hard to understand.
A fetus is a person, until it is born. After birth it is not a person, it is property, until 18 or so. Then it becomes a person again.
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Post by foolishwisdom on Apr 26, 2011 16:11:46 GMT -5
So, feti are people, but children are not. Good to know that. Actually, this raises a point. If a pregnant woman is standing there, does she count for two? What if she's bearing quadruplets? Well, anti-choicers state that a fetus isn't apart of a woman, so technically, yes.
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Post by DeadpanDoubter on Apr 26, 2011 16:22:27 GMT -5
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Post by Shane for Wax on Apr 26, 2011 16:35:51 GMT -5
Why 7? That seems like a handy number.
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Post by devilschaplain2 on Apr 26, 2011 16:40:32 GMT -5
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Post by Mlle Antéchrist on Apr 26, 2011 16:57:36 GMT -5
Actually, this raises a point. If a pregnant woman is standing there, does she count for two? What if she's bearing quadruplets? If life begins at conception how was I charged with minor in possession of alcohol at 20? Because you live in a place with insanely conservative liquor laws.
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Post by wmdkitty on Apr 26, 2011 23:39:26 GMT -5
What the fuck?
And no, kids aren't so much "people" as they're "people in training", which is why I'm absolutely horrified at the way some "parents" are raising their kids.
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Post by The Lazy One on Apr 27, 2011 13:54:03 GMT -5
Can I just state how much I really hate the term "anti-choice?" That puts pro-choice people on the level of the pro-lifers who call pro-choice people "pro-death." It's just so childish.
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Post by Tiberius on Apr 27, 2011 13:56:55 GMT -5
Can I just state how much I really hate the term "anti-choice?" That puts pro-choice people on the level of the pro-lifers who call pro-choice people "pro-death." It's just so childish. I was going to say something, but yeah. Can we just refer to them as Pro-Life and us as Pro-Choice, and let the side's arguements decide which one is in the wrong?
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Post by Caitshidhe on Apr 27, 2011 14:11:20 GMT -5
No.
Because nothing about these people is 'pro-life'. They don't care about taking care of the children once they're born, making sure they have good schools to go to and providing childcare, or making sure the mothers have medical care available, or housing, or food. They just care that the sucker gets BORN. Then, fuck 'em.
That's not pro 'life'.
They just care about one thing: making sure a woman no longer has the right to choose to end an unwanted pregnancy.
Which is why I called them 'anti-choice'.
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Post by Dan on Apr 27, 2011 14:19:46 GMT -5
Perhaps we should settle on a compromise (that just happens to be accurate): "anti-abortion"
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Post by Caitshidhe on Apr 27, 2011 14:22:37 GMT -5
You can call them whatever you like, but I go with 'anti-choice' because that's what their core goal is.
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Post by The Lazy One on Apr 27, 2011 14:41:35 GMT -5
And I guess you can do that, but it just seems... immature to me. They are the pro-life movement, and calling them "anti-choice" seems equivalent to them calling pro-choice people "pro-death." I'm not comfortable with it.
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Post by Thejebusfire on Apr 27, 2011 14:44:05 GMT -5
Perhaps we should settle on a compromise (that just happens to be accurate): "anti-abortion" You can support the right to choose and still be personally against abortion.
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