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Post by Vene on Apr 30, 2009 15:59:40 GMT -5
That's HER.  But she's one of those high forehead librul professor types. What can you expect? Not only that, but she's in the humanities, you know the indoctrination department. |
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Post by Sigmaleph on Apr 30, 2009 16:45:42 GMT -5
You know as well as I do that Biology is the indoctrination department, you darn evilutionist.
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Post by Vene on Apr 30, 2009 18:37:30 GMT -5
You know as well as I do that Biology is the indoctrination department, you darn evilutionist. The sciences contribute too. I think engineering does to a lesser extent, but as far as I can tell, fundies like the school of business. |
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Post by ltfred on Apr 30, 2009 18:54:17 GMT -5
You know as well as I do that Biology is the indoctrination department, you darn evilutionist. The sciences contribute too. I think engineering does to a lesser extent, but as far as I can tell, fundies like the school of business. What about the school of law? The sanity of freinds of mine are at stake here! |
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Post by Vene on Apr 30, 2009 19:12:47 GMT -5
I think that's a maybe, depends on if they plan on being an activist judge or not. We don't have a law program here, so I can't comment as much on it.
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Post by gadfly on Apr 30, 2009 19:48:42 GMT -5
Being intelligent is the biggest sin of all. Doing things under your own reasoning takes all the power away from those who get to tell you what to do otherwise. Seems like Paul even mentions something like "Beware of the Epicureans & Stoics!!" in the New Testament. No. Actually, in the book of Acts, Paul debated the philosophers at Mars Hill and was quite polite to them. He was well aware of Greek philosophy and literature, given that he quoted from it himself. Though Christianity doesn't view human knowledge as the be-all and end-all OF knowledge (in other words, very smart people aren't the only ones who get saved, and human knowledge ALONE is not a path to God), it's not irrevocably hostile to learning. In fact, quite a few prominent Christians throughout history were philosophers and thinkers. Unfortunately, modern Christianity has taken a shine to anti-intellectualism, and so we get well-meaning but ill-educated and intellectually lazy people talking out their asses, like the folks that the OP ran into. I apologize to you all on their behalf because they set such a poor example, and I will say that they don't really represent Christianity very well by making a statement like that. |
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Post by ironbite on Apr 30, 2009 20:59:09 GMT -5
It's just amazing how much the fundies of any religion fear knowlege and learning. Of course, it's quite understandable when you think about it from their point of view. An intellegint congregation is much harder to control then one who's just made up of sheep.
Ironbite-hence the current movement towardsanti-intellectualism we've been seeing.
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Post by MaybeNever on Apr 30, 2009 21:33:45 GMT -5
Unfortunately, modern Christianity has taken a shine to anti-intellectualism, and so we get well-meaning but ill-educated and intellectually lazy people talking out their asses, like the folks that the OP ran into. I apologize to you all on their behalf because they set such a poor example, and I will say that they don't really represent Christianity very well by making a statement like that. Islam started a similar process in maybe the fifteenth century or so, picking up steam throughout the sixteenth until by the mid-1600s the effects were becoming obvious. Reason was suppressed by order of the clergy, barbarous practices increased substantially, and by the 1700s even the Ottoman Empire was tottering. It effectively only survived because of a British interest in sustaining "the sick man of Europe" to keep a feeding frenzy from exploding. Outside of the Ottoman lands, things were even worse. |
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Post by Sigmaleph on Apr 30, 2009 22:31:07 GMT -5
Though Christianity doesn't view human knowledge as the be-all and end-all OF knowledge (in other words, very smart people aren't the only ones who get saved, and human knowledge ALONE is not a path to God), it's not irrevocably hostile to learning. Not irrevocably hostile, perhaps, but not a great fan of it either. Jesus himself emphasised faith over reason, which is a recipe for disaster in terms of knowledge. |
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Post by shelly87 on Apr 30, 2009 22:50:27 GMT -5
Unfortunately, modern Christianity has taken a shine to anti-intellectualism, and so we get well-meaning but ill-educated and intellectually lazy people talking out their asses, like the folks that the OP ran into. I apologize to you all on their behalf because they set such a poor example, and I will say that they don't really represent Christianity very well by making a statement like that. Well said and I realize that they represent only a portion of Christians, however they represent a pretty big majority of them. Maybe not all Christians are willing to go out to a university campus and spread the "word" but these people believe the very things that many fundamental, evangelical, and conservative Christians endorse. I don't know if you are a Christian or if so what denomination of Christianity you belong to, and I don't presume to label you a certain way. Maybe you are just a more liberal, enlightened Christian then many I have met. Any Christian who: takes the bible as the inspired word of god and claims evolution is completely wrong (and favors the alternative explanation of creationism/ID in its place) is just downright wrong. We know the bible is riddled with inaccuracies and atrocities and we know that evolution provides the best explanation for how life has changed and continues to change over time. Period. Any educated person knows this. But when I see my mother watching TBN, I see Ray Comfort on talking about how evolution is wrong, and yes I've seen him give the banana argument to support it. And when I talk to all my other conservative Christian relatives, they all believe the bible is "god breathed" and inerrant" and support ID being taught in school. And when I went to a private christian school, I was taught these things as well. And this website and its forums wouldn't exist if it weren't for the fact that Christians believe these unintelligent and inaccurate things. The man who gave me this quote was very right in what he said because fundamental Christians don't want individuals to rely on reason, research, or scientific knowledge. They want them to rely on FAITH, which to them includes rationalizing and justifying all the wrong things in their bible and instead misrepresenting and ignoring all the right things that contradict it. So if you and the majority of Christians, want to keep what you believe to yourself (as your personal faith or relationship with god or w/e) that's fine, but it starts to make me kinda pissed when it gets pushed on me and when it gets used to impede the progression of scientific thought and rational inquiry. |
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Post by rookie on May 1, 2009 13:49:18 GMT -5
I'm not even sure he represents that big a majority of christians. I think he just represents the loudest of the bunch. Every group of people out there have their assholes. And they are normally the loudest ones.
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But she's one of those high forehead librul professor types. What can you expect?
