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Post by shriekback on May 28, 2009 23:40:12 GMT -5
Why don't you care about anything other than abortion and homosexuality?
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swordfish
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Post by swordfish on May 29, 2009 1:07:02 GMT -5
My not so serious question:
If Adam and Eve were the only two people who existed in the beginning, why is their story written in the third person?
My serious question:
In several places throughout the Bible, it states to love everyone as you love yourself and your God, and to treat them as you would like them to treat you. It states this without any conditions or exceptions. Everyone. Every. Single. Person.
If the Bible says this, why don't you apply this to homosexuals, liberals, or people of other religions?
You obviously would not want Homosexuals telling you what you are and are not allowed to do in the privacy of your own home. You don't want Muslims, Buddhists, or Atheists making every attempt to witness their faith (or lack thereof as the case may be) to you.
So why do you do this to them?
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Post by antichrist on May 29, 2009 1:29:46 GMT -5
Any ex-fundies want to give mine a shot? I'll give it a try. Why do you refuse to educate yourself on the language and culture the original Biblical texts were written in? Wouldn't such understanding enable you to better understand the Bible?As a fundie, I didn't even know the ancient texts were available. All I knew was the KJV and all those heretic bibles. Also this would be frowned upon as it is seen as questioning, where we are supposed to have blind faith. Were you aware that the "Red Sea parting" was the result of a mistranslation of the Hebrew phrase "Yam Suph", meaning "Reed sea" or "sea of reeds"?No I didn't know that as a fundie, and it would be brushed off as a lie, as the KJV is the holy inspired work of God. God wouldn't let his own book be mistranslated would he? Edit: More amusingly, I was once in a chatroom where a fundie claimed with complete seriousness that the Bible was originally written in English, which was the language God spoke. I still haven't been able to figure out if that guy was a Poe or not.Okay, that guy is just an idiot. Although I have met people who believe that English is the language spoken before the tower of Babel. Hence the fact that it includes a little bit from a bunch of different languages. Has absolutely nothing to do with English being a mutt language. So maybe the idea has evolved from when I was a fundie. I'm old enough to remember when ID was evolution with a "goddidit" at the beginning.
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Post by Haseen on May 29, 2009 19:46:25 GMT -5
What exactly are the rules on what goes poof during the rapture. Like if you had fillings, would they go with you. Tattoo ink? If you're eating, would the food in your mouth go poof, or would it drop to the floor. At what point in the digestive tract is the cutoff? The same question could be asked on the other end. If you're in the middle of pooping, for instance... Would there be little "fingernails" of nail polish that are left behind? Or for that matter, hair and the nails themselves are dead material. Makeup? What about the microorganisms that live in your gut. Do they also get a free ride because they happened to be inside a "good" person? What about parasites? I really don't want to have any fundies around if they're gonna beam up and leave behind a pile of tapeworms.
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Post by my9thtime on May 29, 2009 22:02:16 GMT -5
I actually have the perfect question to ask them, and its a very simple one.
"Y so srs?!"
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Post by Maryland Bear on Jun 1, 2009 7:34:54 GMT -5
"Do you really have so little faith in the American system that you think one President whom you don't support is going to lead to complete national downfall?"
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Post by Ian1732 on Jun 1, 2009 17:33:58 GMT -5
OOH! I got one! *Ahem*
If phrases from the bible were "Modernized" ("Thou Shall Not Kill." becomes "Don't murder people. It's not cool.") which one do you think would sound the funniest?
And another.
What is the most interesting/strangest way you've ever imagined God as a physical manifestation? For me, it was as the big floating head, from The Wizard of Oz.
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Post by Deimos on Jun 1, 2009 21:34:17 GMT -5
Did Mary Magdalenes milkshake bring Jesus to the yard
Boo yah, Hoes, hip hop and good old blasphemy!
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Post by Khaine on Jun 1, 2009 23:49:42 GMT -5
Given the number of members of RR who belive that the Rapture will happen soon, I just have one question.
Members of RR, what length of time do you mean when you say "soon"?
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Post by Hades on Jun 1, 2009 23:54:11 GMT -5
Given the number of members of RR who belive that the Rapture will happen soon, I just have one question. Members of RR, what length of time do you mean when you say "soon"? A lot of them, if they put a more specific cap on the time, will say within their lifetime. Which, oddly, people have been saying since... JESUS SAID HE'D BE BACK IN THE APOSTLES LIFETIME!
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Post by peanutfan on Jun 2, 2009 11:45:17 GMT -5
OOH! I got one! *Ahem* If phrases from the bible were "Modernized" ("Thou Shall Not Kill." becomes "Don't murder people. It's not cool.") which one do you think would sound the funniest? "It's totally uncool to want your neighbor's ass. The same goes for his wife's ass, or the asses of his servants,even if the maid looks TOTALLY HOT in that outfit."
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Post by antichrist on Jun 2, 2009 14:39:17 GMT -5
I covet SaveTheBales Ass(es)
Can't help myself, sorry.
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Post by secularskeptic on Jun 2, 2009 19:11:04 GMT -5
My questions for a RR member: Why am I supposed to take seriously anything that you say when I tell you that I was once a fundamentalist Christian myself and you call me a liar by claiming that I could not have been or I wouldn't have turned away from your God?
Why am I supposed to take anything you say seriously when I go to your board and see that as an atheist I am called stupid, I am the reason the country is in horrible shape, I deserve to burn forever, etc. ? If I called you those things would you take me seriously?
Why do you continually talk on the RR board about how certain behaviors on the part of Christians "hurt your witness" and then, on the internet in front of the whole world, call people liars, idiots, morons, and all the other names that atheists are called there. You do not know me personally, but yet you throw me into a category and judge me. You don't think that "hurts your witness" ??
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Post by rrvisitor on Jun 3, 2009 0:10:57 GMT -5
BananaHurricane asked me to come over and look at these questions, so here I am. I'll answer a few of these, but first let me say that many of the questions are asked as if every Christian shares the exact same views. As with everything in life, there are hardly two people that do indeed share the same views. You might be surprised to know that many Christians support abortion, in fact the doctor that was recently murdered was a practicing Christian and apparently his murderer was too. All that is just to explain that you can ask two Christians these questions and you will likely get two different answers. Why don't you care about anything other than abortion and homosexuality? Oh I care about many, many issues. Frankly homosexuality is relatively unimportant to me. Homosexuality is definitely a sin, but so are plenty of other things, and we are ALL sinners. Salvation is open to homosexuals just like it is to all other sinners. Abortion is particularly disturbing though. It's horrific. Killing a baby is unspeakably inhumane. This is a particularly sensitive subject to us parents. Given the number of members of RR who belive that the Rapture will happen soon, I just have one question. Members of RR, what length of time do you mean when you say "soon"? There is a parable in the Bible called the Parable of the Fig Tree. It says that once the tree starts putting off leaves, that "this generation shall not pass" until all these things are fulfilled. There are many other scriptural references to the Fig Tree being Israel, and the regathering of the Jews to Israel is the tree putting out leaves. This happened in 1948 (Israel was reestablished as a country). The length of a generation is unknown, but in the Psalms it references 70 to 80 years. So it's widely believed that the Rapture and Tribulation will occur within that window (by 2018 to 2028). My questions for a RR member: Why am I supposed to take seriously anything that you say when I tell you that I was once a fundamentalist Christian myself and you call me a liar by claiming that I could not have been or I wouldn't have turned away from your God? Why am I supposed to take anything you say seriously when I go to your board and see that as an atheist I am called stupid, I am the reason the country is in horrible shape, I deserve to burn forever, etc. ? If I called you those things would you take me seriously? Why do you continually talk on the RR board about how certain behaviors on the part of Christians "hurt your witness" and then, on the internet in front of the whole world, call people liars, idiots, morons, and all the other names that atheists are called there. You do not know me personally, but yet you throw me into a category and judge me. You don't think that "hurts your witness" ?? I can't recall reading anything to that effect on RR (that atheists are somehow responsible for the country, that they should burn, etc.) We've all played a part in the downfall of our country. A lot of people love to blame Obama, and while his rampant money spending is certainly going to cause problems down the road it's narrow-sighted to lay the blame at one administration's doorstep. These problems have been many, many years in the making. I have no idea whether you're a liar or not and certainly wouldn't call you one on the basis of you're being an atheist. I never, ever call anyone an idiot or a moron as it's insulting. Just know this, many call themselves Christians but few really are. The people that would make such accusations are more than likely not walking in faith.
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Post by rrvisitor on Jun 3, 2009 0:24:57 GMT -5
Are you aware that: - Martin Luther (the Protestant Reformation guy, not Martin Luther King) and other early Church fathers opposed including Revelation as a canonical book of the Bible?
- when it was decided Revelation would be included in the Bible, it was with the agreement that it would not be taught as prophecy?
- the very idea of a "rapture" is a relatively recent edition to Christian beliefs, probably under 300 years old, and a pre-Millenial rapture is an even newer idea?
- the "John" that wrote Revelation was probably not the John who wrote the Gospel According to John? (one wrote in excellent Greek, the other wrote rather poor Greek)
- belief in the rapture is not a common Christian belief? Most churches don't teach it, and even among those that do teach it, its not to the point of obsession.
- its the Book of Revelation, not Revelations? (Actually, a lot of the RR crowd probably does know that. But its a very common mistake.)
1st point- that doesn't make it any less relevant. 2nd and 4th points- I haven't heard those, but that also doesn't make it any less relevant either. The entire Bible is filled with references to the End Times and Christ's return. Revelation more or less just wraps up all the previous references into a convenient package. 3rd point- common misconception. I'm not sure if non-members can see all the RR forums, but if you can then check out the video in this thread: rr-bb.com/showthread.php?t=95125Here's a synopsis of the (known) people who preached the Rapture before Darby: Ephraim the Syrian, 320 AD Shepherd of Hermas, 150 AD Victorinus, Bishop of Petau, 270 AD Jerome, 400 AD (Dark Ages) Rev. Dolocineau? 304 Joseph Meddy, 1627 Increase Mather, 1627 Peter Giroux, 1687 John Askill, 1700 John Gill, 1748 James McKnight, 1763 Morgan Edwards, 1744 Thomas Scott, 1792 John Darby, 1830 5th point- not many RR members are obsessed over the Rapture (I fully admit that some appear to be, but they're membership is usually short-lived due to burnout). It just seems that way to you guys because all you see of us is what we post over there. We have lives outside of RR believe it or not We work, we play, we have families, we have hobbies, and we hang out on RR too. It's a small part of most of our lives, but it's the only part that you see and you draw too many conclusions from it. 6th point- yeah, I know; and yeah, it's a common mistake
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