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Post by Her3tiK on Oct 13, 2011 14:44:20 GMT -5
It would appear that the US government is now accusing Iran of plotting/funding/supporting an assassination attempt on Israel's and Saudi Arabia's embassy. I'm not terribly clear on what the overall plan was, though it seems to have involved Mexican drug cartels and terrorists.
TYT
Think Progress
Talking Points Memo
My question is, what the hell is actually going on? I don't like to get too far into conspiracy theories, but this really sounds like one. How is it that this just so happens to be "thwarted" when OWS is starting to gain real traction? Why does it involve EVERYONE the conservatards have convinced their followers to fear/hate?
Sounds to me like another Tonkin Gulf incident to me.
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Post by Jodie on Oct 13, 2011 17:55:00 GMT -5
This sounds... too good to be true, for the American government.
I hope they have proof. And real proof too, not propogated circumstantial evidence.
ETA: Also, who thinks this is just a ploy to distract the country from the OWS situation? That's what I'm betting.
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Post by stormwarden on Oct 13, 2011 23:45:53 GMT -5
I want more info before I make any judgement calls. The last thing we need is another war, even if it is with Iran. I'm not sure Iran would do something that stupid. Then again, the leadership says a bunch of stupid shit all the time, so we'll see.
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Post by Her3tiK on Oct 14, 2011 0:57:56 GMT -5
Here's a few more links I've managed to find. Two from MSNBC, one from CNN. The first MSNBC link says that the "would-be assassin" confessed to the plot and implicated the drug cartels. With what went on in Gitmo, I'm not personally inclined to trust such things anymore, but there it is. The second MSNBC and the CNN link state that "multiple sources" confirm this information, and that Iranian diplomats have been confronted about the issue (they deny any involvement of course). The thing I don't like about this, is that these sources are not named. Granted, this is likely some kind of security issue, or at least touted as such, but it's still not a situation I'm very fond of. |
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Post by Doctor Fishcake on Oct 14, 2011 4:04:10 GMT -5
For certain, it needs to be ascertained wether torture was used in extracting this confession. Torture gets people to talk but not to tell the truth. Hell, if you waterboarded me I'd confess to having killed Martin Luther King (12 years before I was born). If stringing together a fairly outlandish sequence of events that you pulled out of your ass - but you nonetheless think might be palatable to your torturers - would make them stop, you'd do the same wouldn't you?
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Post by sylvana on Oct 14, 2011 4:05:16 GMT -5
As an outsider, I am really disinclined to believe anything the American government says in in this regard. This sounds a lot like Iraq has weapons of mass destruction and Osama is hiding in Afghanistan to me.
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Post by Art Vandelay on Oct 14, 2011 5:41:04 GMT -5
Good god that is the most ridiculous fucking thing I've ever heard.
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Post by ltfred on Oct 14, 2011 5:53:25 GMT -5
I doubt there was torture involved. And maybe it's true. But isn't it interesting that the US, which a few weeks ago assasinated an American citizen, is now complaining about Iran trying to assasinate people.
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Post by lighthorseman on Oct 14, 2011 6:08:31 GMT -5
the US, which a few weeks ago assasinated an American citizen. Could someone fill me in on this? |
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Post by ltfred on Oct 14, 2011 6:22:05 GMT -5
the US, which a few weeks ago assasinated an American citizen. Could someone fill me in on this? Anwar al-Awlaki was assasinated on September 30th by a US drone in Yemen. His father tried to get a court to put a stop order on Obama's attempts to kill him, but the government successfully argued that any publically-announced assasination policy was a state secret and the court couldn't have oversight. Even if Anwar al-Awlaki was an American citizen with the right to "presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury" before being "held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anwar_Awlaki |
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Post by m52nickerson on Oct 14, 2011 6:40:59 GMT -5
Anwar al-Awlaki was assasinated on September 30th by a US drone in Yemen. His father tried to get a court to put a stop order on Obama's attempts to kill him, but the government successfully argued that any publically-announced assasination policy was a state secret and the court couldn't have oversight. Even if Anwar al-Awlaki was an American citizen with the right to "presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury" before being "held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anwar_AwlakiThe difference is that al-Awlaki was actively fighting the US and planning attacks against us. The ambassador was not. |
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Post by lighthorseman on Oct 14, 2011 6:41:37 GMT -5
Could someone fill me in on this? Anwar al-Awlaki was assasinated on September 30th by a US drone in Yemen. His father tried to get a court to put a stop order on Obama's attempts to kill him, but the government successfully argued that any publically-announced assasination policy was a state secret and the court couldn't have oversight. Even if Anwar al-Awlaki was an American citizen with the right to "presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury" before being "held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anwar_AwlakiDAMN THAT EVIL GEORGE W. BUSH! Oh, wait, it was Obama that did this? Well, he must have had his reasons, I suppose. Seriously though, its like they're TRYING to shred their international credibility, huh? |
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Post by lighthorseman on Oct 14, 2011 6:42:32 GMT -5
Anwar al-Awlaki was assasinated on September 30th by a US drone in Yemen. His father tried to get a court to put a stop order on Obama's attempts to kill him, but the government successfully argued that any publically-announced assasination policy was a state secret and the court couldn't have oversight. Even if Anwar al-Awlaki was an American citizen with the right to "presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury" before being "held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anwar_AwlakiThe difference is that al-Awlaki was actively fighting the US and planning attacks against us. The ambassador was not. Does that really make a difference? |
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Post by Yla on Oct 14, 2011 6:51:05 GMT -5
LHM!
M.O.D.I.F.Y. P.O.S.T. AND C.O.P.Y.-P.A.S.T.E.
Seriously, how hard is it?
You have a giant signature, and even if you hadn't, you're stretching the thread.
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Post by m52nickerson on Oct 14, 2011 6:59:13 GMT -5
Does that really make a difference? If you kill someone does it make a difference if they were pointing a gun at you? |
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