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Post by Smurfette Principle on Nov 2, 2011 0:52:25 GMT -5
Hilarious article by Keith Ward in the Guardian. Please keep in mind that he is entirely serious. A huge number of factual claims are not scientifically testable. Many historical and autobiographical claims, for instance, are not repeatable, not publicly observable now or in future, and are not subsumable under any general law. We know that rational answers to many historical questions depend on general philosophical views, moral views, personal experience and judgment. There are no history laboratories. Much history, like much religion, is evidence-based, but the evidence is not scientifically tractable. Claims that the cosmos is created do not "trespass onto" scientific territory. They are factual claims in which scientific investigators are not, as such, interested. Scientific facts are, of course, relevant to many religious claims. But not all facts are scientific facts – the claim that I was in Oxford last night, unseen by anyone, will occur in no scientific paper, but it is a hard fact. So it is with the miracles of Jesus, with the creation of the cosmos and with its end. This is Completely Missing The Point Up To Eleven Beyond The Impossible.
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Post by Art Vandelay on Nov 2, 2011 0:55:26 GMT -5
PERSEKUSHUNS!!!!
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Post by Haseen on Nov 2, 2011 1:23:26 GMT -5
Science can't prove I'm not god.
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Post by tolpuddlemartyr on Nov 2, 2011 1:53:48 GMT -5
If I claimed I shot Osama Bin Ladin, that would be a historical claim right? Assuming that this claim is neither verifiable nor repeatable can I now expect serious historians to take me seriously?
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Post by lighthorseman on Nov 2, 2011 2:04:57 GMT -5
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Post by Mlle Antéchrist on Nov 2, 2011 2:19:47 GMT -5
I'm not a 9 foot tall space vixen, but I'll gladly make all the men of earth my pleasure slaves.
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Post by Art Vandelay on Nov 2, 2011 2:38:08 GMT -5
I'm not a 9 foot tall space vixen, but I'll gladly make all the men of earth my pleasure slaves. I'll inform Fred Phelps. |
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Post by Mlle Antéchrist on Nov 2, 2011 2:40:17 GMT -5
Plan aborted.
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Post by Rat Of Steel on Nov 2, 2011 2:44:08 GMT -5
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Post by Mlle Antéchrist on Nov 2, 2011 2:54:39 GMT -5
Sorry, Rat. Blame Art for having cock-blocked all of humanity.
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Post by Art Vandelay on Nov 2, 2011 3:02:39 GMT -5
What? Would you've rather found out the hard way?
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Post by Art Vandelay on Nov 2, 2011 3:02:56 GMT -5
Hehehe, "hard".
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Nov 2, 2011 3:20:26 GMT -5
This is so ironic that
I hipster'd.
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Post by N. De Plume on Nov 2, 2011 7:22:07 GMT -5
Pro-abortion nutjob! ;D Y’know, I think Mr. Ward should watch more History Detectives and find out what science can do when it comes to historical claims. |
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Post by Old Viking on Nov 2, 2011 11:25:17 GMT -5
How to be a theologian: declare each of your assertions to be "a hard fact."
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