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Post by Oriet on Nov 3, 2011 16:19:40 GMT -5
Um... he was suspended for 3 days, how is that "nothing"? What happened when police were called? It's nothing because that's the exact sort of punishment schools give to people who get beaten up and don't fight back, even when there's dozens to hundreds of witnesses. Some schools really don't give a flying squirrels turd what type of amount of participation students had in a fight, even when every person agrees on how it happened, so they just hand out the same punishment to everyone; perpetrators and victims alike. Of course, that's when they even bother to do anything about it at all.
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Post by Oriet on Nov 3, 2011 16:23:04 GMT -5
I aree, but that's the police's issue, not the school's. Actually, it is the school's issue, since it happened on their property during school hours when they are responsible for the safety and well being of the students. I agree that police should get involved when it gets this bad, but again it is the school's responsibility to contact law enforcement over it and not the student or their parents/guardians, especially as that ends up being well after the fact making it harder to get an accurate report.
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Post by Admiral Lithp on Nov 3, 2011 16:28:21 GMT -5
Umm...
1. It's the school's responsibility to call the police. Specifically the school's. It's not "too harsh on them," that's part of their damn job. Is it too harsh to criticize the school for not teaching effectively because no one else gives lessons?
2. A 3 day suspension is not the worst punishment a school can give. For starters, there is this thing called expulsion. Which is totally legitimate if you almost killed a kid. It's a widely known fact that concussions can kill you.
Maybe Australia has some retarded system I'm unaware of (school chaplains ring a bell), but that's how it's supposed to work in America.
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Post by lighthorseman on Nov 3, 2011 16:29:19 GMT -5
Thats a bit harsh, its not like the school can press charges. For someone to be charged with assault, the victim has to complain. So there's no point the school calling the police unless the kid ASKS them to call the police.
Did he? Do we know?
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Post by Shane for Wax on Nov 3, 2011 16:39:19 GMT -5
What he said. In my mind 3 days suspension is nothing done at the very least legally. It's 'welp, so he beat another kid severely. Oh well...' So did the kid call the police? Did his parents? Maybe a 3 day suspension is the maximum punishment the school is able to give. You want the bully punished, its a police matter, surely? 1) I lived in Ohio. 3 day suspensions are slaps on the wrist for any and all involved. Not to mention we don't even know if it was an out of school suspension. They have these things called in-school suspensions that have the kid in the school where he nearly killed the poor kid but he's stuck in one room all day. 2) abcnews.go.com/Health/ohio-bully-beating-gay-student-caught-cell-phone/story?id=14834057 It says right here the mother filed charges and that the police were looking into it but no arrests had been made. 3) No arrests even with video evidence. 4) Even if it's a police matter the time it takes between investigation and everything else it would mean the kid would be back in school way before anything legal was done. Ergo a longer punishment would be much more fitting. Three days is nothing. Very little can get done in three days when it comes to police matters for such things as assault.
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Post by Napoleon the Clown on Nov 3, 2011 17:20:33 GMT -5
LHM, are you trolling or what? Serious question.
The school doesn't need to ask a student "Hey, do you want us to call the cops on the guy that is actively beating the shit out of you?" That's not how it works. You see someone beating the hell out of someone else and you call the fucking cops. What charges get filed are a different matter entirely.
And three days suspension is fucking nothing.
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Post by Vypernight on Nov 3, 2011 17:34:10 GMT -5
How much you want to bet if the kid fought back he would've gotten a worse punishment?
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Post by brendanrizzo on Nov 3, 2011 17:40:49 GMT -5
How much you want to bet if the kid fought back he would've gotten a worse punishment? Everything I own. Seriously, it's like the system is set up to favor the bullies over the victims. Now we know what bullies do when they grow up... join the school boards to ensure the continuation of their reigns of terror.
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Post by Wykked Wytch on Nov 3, 2011 17:44:29 GMT -5
1. Three days really is nothing. I knew kids who got suspensions all the time and saw it simply as a chance to get out of school.
2. In many schools, if the victim raises a hand against hir attacker, then zie can get the same discipline as the bully.
3. If you see a kid getting beat up and crying out for help, if you use force to throw the bully off hir then you can be suspended for "fighting".
This is the kind of culture our schools are fostering - a culture where people are too afraid to stand up for others, let alone themselves, because they are afraid of being disciplined for being "violent."
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Post by Smurfette Principle on Nov 3, 2011 18:54:23 GMT -5
This is the kind of culture our schools are fostering - a culture where people are too afraid to stand up for others, let alone themselves, because they are afraid of being disciplined for being "violent." My school used to have a bullying policy that was absolute bullshit. First, bullying was only a principal-related matter if the actions of the bully caused the victim to retaliate. Obviously, this meant you'd only go to the principal if you attacked the bully. Otherwise, punishment was up to the teacher. Second, everything had to be seen by a teacher, and the teacher had to fill out certain paperwork. If neither of those things happened, they couldn't take action. This left kids like me with literally no place to go whilst being bullied. I had a gang of girls harass me for several months before they finally slipped up and recorded themselves doing it, presumably to put it on Youtube. The phone they recorded it on was confiscated and they found the video. Even then, only one of the girls was punished, and she wasn't the ringleader. I repeat: even with explicit video evidence, almost nothing was done, and it required a lot of political clout from my parents to even get that much done. Fuck. The. System.
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Post by Old Viking on Nov 3, 2011 19:14:57 GMT -5
Zie my ass. Also, hir my ass.
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Post by VirtualStranger on Nov 3, 2011 21:20:05 GMT -5
Zie my ass. Also, hir my ass. Seriously... What's wrong with "They"?
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Post by Miles, The Slightly Off on Nov 3, 2011 21:26:49 GMT -5
The bully seems to have been charged with assault. www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2011/11/03/attacks-spark-protest-of-bullying.htmlPersonally, I'm happy about this (The bully getting charged with assault, I mean). I'm happy that something is being done about it, and I'm very happy to see so much support going to the victim and his family. I just hope that this sticks and that the victim never has to deal with anything of this caliber ever again.
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Post by Vene on Nov 3, 2011 21:28:02 GMT -5
Zie my ass. Also, hir my ass. Seriously... What's wrong with "They"? It doesn't make Old Viking say "zie my ass." It's also not strictly singular.
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Post by Thejebusfire on Nov 3, 2011 21:43:23 GMT -5
My school has expelled kids for less than this.
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