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Post by tolpuddlemartyr on Nov 5, 2011 2:22:55 GMT -5
The Holy See is reportedly "stunned" by Ireland's decision to close it's embassy in the Vatican. I seem to recall earlier this year that the RC recalled it's ambassador from Dublin because they were saying nasty things about the church's coverup of pedo priests. A very curt comeback, "recall your ambassador, we'll recall ours"! ;D |
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Post by Armand Tanzarian on Nov 5, 2011 5:07:18 GMT -5
Hell I'm stunned by this. I guess the Irish must be REALLY pissed at the church to do something so drastic as to cut ties.
Can anyone with a local perspective give more clarity into this issue?
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Post by ironbite on Nov 5, 2011 10:47:10 GMT -5
Wow...Ireland must really be pissed at the Holy See.
Ironbite-hey Popletine...maybe your priests shouldn't fiddle kids if you know what I mean.
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Post by Runa on Nov 5, 2011 10:57:32 GMT -5
I'm feeling so proud of my Irish ancestry right about now...
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Post by Cygnus on Nov 5, 2011 10:58:57 GMT -5
Wow...Ireland must really be pissed at the Holy See. Ironbite-hey Popletine...maybe your priests shouldn't fiddle kids if you know what I mean. Hahahaha, Popletine? I am totally calling him that from now on. |
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Post by xotan on Nov 5, 2011 11:03:16 GMT -5
I haven't lived in Ireland in 10 years, but I am in constant contact with family and friends there.
It seems to me, from what I am hearing, that people feel the RCC put itself above the law and lied to the state in the whole sordid child-abuse scandal. That set the ground.
Then the collapse of the so-called Celtic Tiger has meant very tight finances, with draconian fiscal measures that would be causing heart attacks in Athens. But people realised that until the books balance, nothing is going to get better. Already there are hesitant signs of growth (being mucked up by the wimping Greeks), and the country's financial standing is such that the interest rate on its borrowings has dropped from a penal 14% to about 6% - a measure of confidence by the international markets.
In the light of the above, Ireland has enought to worry about than paying for an Embassy with the Vatican that costs more than it is worth. Nugatory is a nasty word these days.
So, regarding the Embassy to the Holy(?) See, in a phrase, who gives a flying shite?
Perhaps when the global encomonic situation is better, and the Vatican has learned not to meddle in the internal affairs of a sovereign nation, it may be possible to reopen diplomatic links on a minor level, if anyone can think of a good reason to do so.
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Post by brendanrizzo on Nov 5, 2011 11:52:32 GMT -5
You know, Ireland is literally the last country I'd expect to do this. Things must be serious.
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Post by RavynousHunter on Nov 5, 2011 12:59:55 GMT -5
Priests molesting children will do that...
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Post by brendanrizzo on Nov 5, 2011 13:11:17 GMT -5
Priests molesting children will do that... I know. I'm just surprised that Ireland, the European country most affected by the Catholic Church, is cutting ties with the Vatican. Maybe something will actually come of governments not putting up with the Pope's shenanigans, after all. |
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Post by rookie on Nov 5, 2011 15:23:04 GMT -5
I like how Dublin said it's pulling their embassy in the Vatican City due to "economic reasons". A very low blow, but pretty ingenious.
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Post by Old Viking on Nov 5, 2011 16:45:44 GMT -5
I say we should protest against the transgressions and moral turpitude of the Vatican! Oh. Wait. Never mind.
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Post by the_ignored on Nov 5, 2011 21:34:23 GMT -5
Why in hell aren't other countries doing this? I'm not so much proud of Ireland as I am pissed off at those others!
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Post by servo on Nov 6, 2011 3:04:03 GMT -5
You know, Ireland is literally the last country I'd expect to do this. Things must be serious. Exactly. I mean... Ireland, with their ties to the Church, of all places... Hopefully, this is just the beginning of a few more embassy closures. |
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Post by czechmate on Nov 6, 2011 10:39:53 GMT -5
The RCC in Ireland has (or had) the same powers as the Gestapo.
They shouldn't have closed the Embassy, they should have bulldozed it flat, preferably with the clerical staff inside.
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Post by czechmate on Nov 6, 2011 10:46:19 GMT -5
Why in hell aren't other countries doing this? I'm not so much proud of Ireland as I am pissed off at those others! Several Central American countries should definately follow suit. The Vatican rules some of them with a theological iron fist meaning that thousands of women are dying in childbirth, to please a bunch of sanctimonious, celebate, pedophiles who are divorced from reality. |
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