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Post by N. De Plume on Nov 6, 2011 8:46:34 GMT -5
So, in other words, it is possible for the husband to order her to do something against god, since it is possible that the husband is not “truly godly”.  But of course, a truly godly woman wouldn't marry an ungodly man. Don't try to follow the logic. Well, I’m guessing that if you aren’t sufficiently subservient, God will see to it you get hitched to an ungodly man, then. Uh, oh. I think I’m beginning to understand this. What’s the remedy for that? |
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Post by Smurfette Principle on Nov 6, 2011 9:07:04 GMT -5
Usually they get around that sort of thing by saying something like "a truly godly husband wouldn't tell hios wife to do something like that", and the subservience thing only counts if its to a "godly man". Its like the "no true Christian" thing. So, in other words, it is possible for the husband to order her to do something against god, since it is possible that the husband is not “truly godly”. Ah, see, what she's saying is that it is possible for a husband to tell you to do something ungodly, but, if you are completely subservient in everything and follow it even if he's wrong, it isn't ungodly because the husband is God.Basically, following your husband's commands trumps your understanding of the Bible, because your husband will never command you to do something ungodly, and even if he does, your subservience makes the ungodliness OK. |
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Post by N. De Plume on Nov 6, 2011 10:04:22 GMT -5
So, in other words, it is possible for the husband to order her to do something against god, since it is possible that the husband is not “truly godly”. Ah, see, what she's saying is that it is possible for a husband to tell you to do something ungodly, but, if you are completely subservient in everything and follow it even if he's wrong, it isn't ungodly because the husband is God.Then what lighthorseman said about godly men is either impossible or irrelevant. Husband as God would be, by definition, godly. |
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Post by czechmate on Nov 6, 2011 10:35:25 GMT -5
Well obviously as a filthy jew you don't know anything about what the Babble says. Ironbite-despite, you know, being the religion Christianity spouted from. Sheega'on Adon. Beseder gamor! To deny or disparage Judaism is to disparage Christianity and Islam. The problem with both Christianity and Islam is that they are both missionary faiths, and will concoct any manner of BS to convert others. |
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Post by leliel on Nov 6, 2011 13:44:48 GMT -5
Yeah, I finally looked at her quote on the main page. She actually says that if your husband is telling you to do something against God it is because you are not being subservient enough. I have no idea how that is supposed to make any sort of sense. It's called Maxwell's Demon Logic. It's based around the fact that, according to fundies, any deviation from dogma will destroy the world. Thus, create a bunch of logic gates that cancel each other out, and so squelch the possibility of crimethink, ie reason. Really, it's so they don't have to face the fact they're nihilists who would make Nietzche blanch. |
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Post by N. De Plume on Nov 6, 2011 17:00:46 GMT -5
Yeah, I finally looked at her quote on the main page. She actually says that if your husband is telling you to do something against God it is because you are not being subservient enough. I have no idea how that is supposed to make any sort of sense. It's called Maxwell's Demon Logic. It's based around the fact that, according to fundies, any deviation from dogma will destroy the world. Thus, create a bunch of logic gates that cancel each other out, and so squelch the possibility of crimethink, ie reason. In short, unless I got a chance to interview whatever demon is controlling those gates to learn more about whatever criteria it uses, then I am never going to figure out how it could even superficially resemble sense.  |
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Post by lighthorseman on Nov 6, 2011 17:05:04 GMT -5
Ah, see, what she's saying is that it is possible for a husband to tell you to do something ungodly, but, if you are completely subservient in everything and follow it even if he's wrong, it isn't ungodly because the husband is God.Then what lighthorseman said about godly men is either impossible or irrelevant. Husband as God would be, by definition, godly. Fundie logic isn't constrained by such things as internal consistency. Go and spend some time at RR or Christian Forums, and you'll eventually get it. Its really hard to grasp, I know, but these people really seem to be capable of holding mutually contradictary beliefs as core beliefs. There are many examples, but perhaps the best example is that you'll find people who will, literally in the same paragraph, tell you that, homosexuality is wrong because of Leviticus, but also, that as Christians, we are released from observance of the Old Testament covenants. Eventually you have to accept that these people simply don't understand logic the same way we do. Its frustrating as hell, but there it is. Don't try to reason people out of a position that they didn't reason themselves into. |
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Post by N. De Plume on Nov 6, 2011 17:11:55 GMT -5
Don't try to reason people out of a position that they didn't reason themselves into. If I have any problem with following fundiespeak, it is the following: I usually find that there is some semblance of a line of thought, even if it is horribly twisted and mangled. I’m generally pretty good at spotting the threads that let me follow such lines. And, to a certain extent, it amuses me to do so, which is why I visit this site. It is the ones that really don’t have amy sort of line that baffle me. I don’t even understand how the owner of such a brain can function in society at all. |
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Post by lighthorseman on Nov 6, 2011 22:23:12 GMT -5
Don't try to reason people out of a position that they didn't reason themselves into. If I have any problem with following fundiespeak, it is the following: I usually find that there is some semblance of a line of thought, even if it is horribly twisted and mangled. I’m generally pretty good at spotting the threads that let me follow such lines. And, to a certain extent, it amuses me to do so, which is why I visit this site. It is the ones that really don’t have amy sort of line that baffle me. I don’t even understand how the owner of such a brain can function in society at all. Ah, well that is why, for the uberfundies, they have their own little societies... the only people they speak to are people from their own weird little church, and, preferably, they work with them as well. Less cognitive dissonance that way, in fact it all becomes very self reinforcing, that outsiders are bad, and we have to keep to ourselves, as evidenced by the fact that anytime we encounter an outsider and try to share the good news, they tell us stuff we find cognitively dissonant, which upsets us, which is therefore persecution, so we turn back to our circle of fundies for comfort and reasurrance, and round and round it goes. |
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Post by N. De Plume on Nov 6, 2011 23:40:39 GMT -5
…round and round it goes. Like a record, baby. |
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Post by Thejebusfire on Nov 6, 2011 23:44:19 GMT -5
I've been reading that No Longer Quivering blog. It's pretty sad.
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Post by Wykked Wytch on Nov 6, 2011 23:54:41 GMT -5
I've been reading that No Longer Quivering blog. It's pretty sad. It reads like a Stockholm Syndrome victim's diary.  |
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Post by Thejebusfire on Nov 7, 2011 1:00:03 GMT -5
The one about the little girl being shunned by church and own family was especally depressing.
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