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Post by Thejebusfire on Nov 11, 2011 0:35:33 GMT -5
What does Grassley think Christian familes who abuse their children?
Are they not "True Christians?"
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Post by foolishwisdom on Nov 11, 2011 0:48:17 GMT -5
Mr. Chairman, we need to pass this bill. And you know, when we do pass it, straight people aren’t suddenly going to become gay. Straight people aren’t going to stop getting married. No, we’re going to be just fine. What will happen is that millions upon millions of lesbian and gay Americans aren’t going to suffer the indignity of having their own government tell them that their marriages are no good. What will happen is that it will be easier for those people to start and protect their families. Al Franken is a good man, shame he's rather naïve. These anti-gay folks don't give a shit about gay families. Hell they don't give a shit about straight families, unless they can be used as a crutch for their politics. (see tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ThinkOfTheChildren) Now I don't mean any disrespect for Franken, I'm just ranting, but lets face it: DOMA was never created with the intent to "protect" marriage, it was created so these homophobes would feel better for themselves treating gay people like dirt. And these same people will do anything to make sure gays "know their place". And the pathetic thing is, they'll do it even if they have to step on some straight people, the same ones they're suppose to be protecting from the "big bad gays," to do it. (see tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ForYourOwnGood) And while I do hope DOMA gets repealed, the homophobes'll go ape shit over it, and they'll see to it that homosexuality goes back into the closet by whatever force necessary, and won't give a shit if straight people get caught in the cross-fire. (finally, see tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PyrrhicVictory)[/rant] |
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Post by N. De Plume on Nov 11, 2011 8:32:30 GMT -5
I’d actually like to hear more about those families in Minnesota that Franken was talking about… Thanks. And while I do hope DOMA gets repealed, the homophobes'll go ape shit over it, and they'll see to it that homosexuality goes back into the closet by whatever force necessary, and won't give a shit if straight people get caught in the cross-fire. (finally, see tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PyrrhicVictory)[/rant] What, the same way the 1960s Civil Rights movements have been so pyrrhic? Yeah, they’ll fight back. Doesn’t mean they’ll be winning their battles or doing significant long-term damage. |
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Post by queenofhearts on Nov 11, 2011 8:53:09 GMT -5
The important thing to take away from that map is that there are three states (MA, VT & CT I think) where you can marry your gay cousin. Don't forget New York |
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Post by lighthorseman on Nov 11, 2011 9:43:46 GMT -5
At points I think that it would be fun to fuck with the anti-gay marriage crowd by having a national referendum for a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage but include a no divorce clause and prison terms for adultery (for the married partner only) in it. The resulting chaos for the religious right would be delicious and the beauty of it is that even if it did succeed it would be repealed in a couple of years which would automatically make gay marriage legal. As Christians, we are released from observance of those OT laws. |
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Post by canadian mojo on Nov 11, 2011 16:55:44 GMT -5
As Christians, we are released from observance of those OT laws. While this is true in a technical sense, actually reading the bible, understanding it, and applying its teachings is not something a lot of the religious right seems capable of so all we need to do is steal a page from their playbook and start crowing that it's in the bible. Even if it wasn't in the bible, the whole 'gays is bad' shtick centers around being bad for kids and having unstable temporary relationships so the old 'you have to stay together for the kids' angle works. |
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Post by lighthorseman on Nov 11, 2011 23:35:23 GMT -5
As Christians, we are released from observance of those OT laws. While this is true in a technical sense, actually reading the bible, understanding it, and applying its teachings is not something a lot of the religious right seems capable of so all we need to do is steal a page from their playbook and start crowing that it's in the bible. Even if it wasn't in the bible, the whole 'gays is bad' shtick centers around being bad for kids and having unstable temporary relationships so the old 'you have to stay together for the kids' angle works. you have to follow the logic circle through, though... OT law doesn't apply to us, as we're Good christians-> so why does it apply to homosexuals? Because they aren't Good Christians-> Why not? Because Leviticus calls th-em abomination-> But what about all the OT laws you don't follow? OT law doesn't apply to us, as we're Good christians-> so why does it apply to homosexuals? Because they aren't Good Christians-> Why not? Because Leviticus calls th-em abomination-> But what about all the OT laws you don't follow? OT law doesn't apply to us, as we're Good christians-> so why does it apply to homosexuals? Because they aren't Good Christians-> Why not? Because Leviticus calls th-em abomination-> But what about all the OT laws you don't follow? OT law doesn't apply to us, as we're Good christians... I'll buy a 6pack for the first person with decent photo shopping skills to make that into a concise info graphic. I' not strawmanning, by the way, I have literally had this conversation with more than one person. |
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Post by canadian mojo on Nov 12, 2011 0:39:23 GMT -5
So Christians don't have to follow their laws but non-Christians do. Somehow that actually seems to make sense.
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Post by Haseen on Nov 12, 2011 5:48:48 GMT -5
OT law doesn't apply to us, as we're Good christians-> so why does it apply to homosexuals? Because they aren't Good Christians-> Why not? Because Leviticus calls th-em abomination-> But what about all the OT laws you don't follow? OT law doesn't apply to us, as we're Good christians-> so why does it apply to homosexuals? Because they aren't Good Christians-> Why not? Because Leviticus calls th-em abomination-> But what about all the OT laws you don't follow? OT law doesn't apply to us, as we're Good christians-> so why does it apply to homosexuals? Because they aren't Good Christians-> Why not? Because Leviticus calls th-em abomination-> But what about all the OT laws you don't follow? OT law doesn't apply to us, as we're Good christians... I'll buy a 6pack for the first person with decent photo shopping skills to make that into a concise info graphic. I' not strawmanning, by the way, I have literally had this conversation with more than one person. 9001 hours in mspaint:  |
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Post by lighthorseman on Nov 12, 2011 5:53:10 GMT -5
OT law doesn't apply to us, as we're Good christians-> so why does it apply to homosexuals? Because they aren't Good Christians-> Why not? Because Leviticus calls th-em abomination-> But what about all the OT laws you don't follow? OT law doesn't apply to us, as we're Good christians-> so why does it apply to homosexuals? Because they aren't Good Christians-> Why not? Because Leviticus calls th-em abomination-> But what about all the OT laws you don't follow? OT law doesn't apply to us, as we're Good christians-> so why does it apply to homosexuals? Because they aren't Good Christians-> Why not? Because Leviticus calls th-em abomination-> But what about all the OT laws you don't follow? OT law doesn't apply to us, as we're Good christians... I'll buy a 6pack for the first person with decent photo shopping skills to make that into a concise info graphic. I' not strawmanning, by the way, I have literally had this conversation with more than one person. 9001 hours in mspaint: Thats... sorta what I had in mind... though I was only thinking one circle, rather than 2. So good thinking. You think thats worth a six pack? |
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Post by scotsgit on Nov 12, 2011 5:59:53 GMT -5
The majority of brother-sister incest, throughout history, occured because of the need of people to keep their bloodline "pure" and to consolidate power in one family. Actually, a lot of it has occurred because of people living in cramped, overcrowded conditions where you have family members living together up to (and in some cases beyond) when they get married. This was especially true during the Industrial Revolution, where you get whole familes living in one bed. |
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Post by lighthorseman on Nov 12, 2011 6:08:49 GMT -5
The majority of brother-sister incest, throughout history, occured because of the need of people to keep their bloodline "pure" and to consolidate power in one family. Actually, a lot of it has occurred because of people living in cramped, overcrowded conditions where you have family members living together up to (and in some cases beyond) when they get married. This was especially true during the Industrial Revolution, where you get whole familes living in one bed. And then its just incest by accident. Or even bestiality. |
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