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Post by Thejebusfire on Nov 27, 2011 23:56:16 GMT -5
Hello, am an Independent.
We exist!
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Post by lexikon on Nov 28, 2011 1:36:38 GMT -5
Well you vote democrat because your party is too small to elect officials XD
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Post by Thejebusfire on Nov 28, 2011 1:55:46 GMT -5
That's true.  |
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Post by Armand Tanzarian on Nov 28, 2011 3:03:56 GMT -5
I always found that the liberal strawmen conservatives use reflect on their own mentality and strategy more than it reflects on liberals. You wanna know what conservatives want to do? See what they accuse liberals of doing, and take the mirror image. Gay marriage is an good example; you take their alleged "Gay Agenda" and you take the exact opposite; a God-Fearing, ultra-Christian state with churches on every street, God on everyone's lips and where homosexuals and other deviants are "cured", jailed, exiled or worse, and you get a pretty good idea of the direction they're getting at.
Because there is no middle ground in today's conservative movement. They can't even accept politics as a sliding scale, let alone a multi-dimensional Cartesian graph. That's why liberal strawmen exist; they just look inward and invert their own views, fuck all evidence to the contrary.
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Post by MaybeNever on Nov 28, 2011 3:55:04 GMT -5
Hello, am an Independent. We exist! I'd be willing to venture that our generation - people in their twenties and early thirties - are very strongly independent in the sense of feeling no particular love for either party. If there were an actual liberal party - or, hell, an actual centrist party, which in American politics counts as the far left - in the US that could present itself so that it looked like it was a viable contender, it could scoop the votes of young people. Of course, that assumes that the infamous lethargy from watching the politics of our formative years be a non-stop river of bullshit and fucking the middle class no matter who's in power doesn't keep us home. Which it seems to do in a rather big way. Instead, when we do vote, we pretty much have to hold our noses and vote for the Democrats. |
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Post by ltfred on Nov 28, 2011 4:39:35 GMT -5
Australia has a third-party liberal movement. Our Greens party is, I think, clearly the best party in our polity.
The problem they face, and you could face, is an egregious lack of funding. The Greens do not accept corporate funding, none. It means that they have almost no money to spend on campaigning, or advertising. The other parties massively outspend them in every electorate. Also, the corporate media hates them. The national newspaper has vowed to destroy the party.
These would be problems in the US, too. The solution is media reform- liberals must not be banned from speaking in the media. And corporations must be prevented from buying political partiies.
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Post by tolpuddlemartyr on Nov 28, 2011 5:44:02 GMT -5
Instead, when we do vote, we pretty much have to hold our noses and vote for the Democrats. This seems to be the "choice" everyone is left with in western industrialized nations. The psycho bigots or the sleazy fuckers who'll sell you up the river at the tip of a hat! A friend of mine once joked that "Democracy" is like a corporation. The "center left" are the Public Relations Department who come in when things are getting shaky to try and convince you that it's not all that bad, the "conservatives" are the Executive Branch who come in to read the riot act when you aren't buying PR's spin anymore! |
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Post by nickiknack on Nov 28, 2011 12:10:06 GMT -5
Hello, am an Independent. We exist! I'd be willing to venture that our generation - people in their twenties and early thirties - are very strongly independent in the sense of feeling no particular love for either party. If there were an actual liberal party - or, hell, an actual centrist party, which in American politics counts as the far left - in the US that could present itself so that it looked like it was a viable contender, it could scoop the votes of young people. Of course, that assumes that the infamous lethargy from watching the politics of our formative years be a non-stop river of bullshit and fucking the middle class no matter who's in power doesn't keep us home. Which it seems to do in a rather big way. Instead, when we do vote, we pretty much have to hold our noses and vote for the Democrats. This is pretty much the reason for voter apathy in this country. And if you point out any flaw with someone like Obama on some liberal pages, then you're considered to be not only a "conservative troll" but also you want any republican to win. Then they insist on posting the achievements that Obama have done. I'm not wishing for Democrats to lose, but I'm sick of them being a bunch of pussies, and them being republican lite. |
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Post by the sandman on Nov 28, 2011 12:16:06 GMT -5
I can sum up in one sentence why Republicans are hypocritical assholes and should now be considered utterly irrelevant.
The Republican party leadership has stated, in almost the same breath, that they will oppose any effort to extend the current payroll tax breaks for the middle and working classes........and that they will also oppose any effort to NOT extend the massive Bush era tax cuts for the wealthy.
Republicans, I am now officially done with you.
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Post by vesus on Nov 28, 2011 15:25:59 GMT -5
And if GOP voters weren't a hive mind, and could actually formulate opinions based on reality (rather than based on Fox News), they would be speaking out against the anti-working class nonsense coming from the Republican leadership.
I won't be holding my breath for this outcome.
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Post by Wykked Wytch on Nov 28, 2011 17:22:47 GMT -5
Hello, am an Independent. We exist! I'd be willing to venture that our generation - people in their twenties and early thirties - are very strongly independent in the sense of feeling no particular love for either party. If there were an actual liberal party - or, hell, an actual centrist party, which in American politics counts as the far left - in the US that could present itself so that it looked like it was a viable contender, it could scoop the votes of young people. Of course, that assumes that the infamous lethargy from watching the politics of our formative years be a non-stop river of bullshit and fucking the middle class no matter who's in power doesn't keep us home. Which it seems to do in a rather big way. Instead, when we do vote, we pretty much have to hold our noses and vote for the Democrats. There is a centrist party in the United States. It's called the Democratic Party. If the Democrats borrowed some politicians from Europe, they might have some balls. |
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Post by Wykked Wytch on Nov 28, 2011 17:24:38 GMT -5
I can sum up in one sentence why Republicans are hypocritical assholes and should now be considered utterly irrelevant. The Republican party leadership has stated, in almost the same breath, that they will oppose any effort to extend the current payroll tax breaks for the middle and working classes........and that they will also oppose any effort to NOT extend the massive Bush era tax cuts for the wealthy.Republicans, I am now officially done with you. But rich people deserve to keep more money than everyone else! Fuck the poor! It's their fault they're losers! /Repugnican |
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Post by brendanrizzo on Nov 28, 2011 17:40:26 GMT -5
These would be problems in the US, too. The solution is media reform- liberals must not be banned from speaking in the media. And corporations must be prevented from buying political partiies. Okay, I understand that America is the most conservative of all industrialized nations, and I am well aware of Fox News, but the way you word this seems to imply that liberals are outright prohibited from speaking on the media. That seems a little unlikely even in this political climate. Oh, and this is my 365th post. That's one for every day of the year. Interesting. |
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Post by Wykked Wytch on Nov 28, 2011 17:47:33 GMT -5
These would be problems in the US, too. The solution is media reform- liberals must not be banned from speaking in the media. And corporations must be prevented from buying political partiies. Okay, I understand that America is the most conservative of all industrialized nations, and I am well aware of Fox News, but the way you word this seems to imply that liberals are outright prohibited from speaking on the media. That seems a little unlikely even in this political climate. Oh, and this is my 365th post. That's one for every day of the year. Interesting. To me, it seems that the Republicans and other conservative candidates get a LOT of press. I'm pretty sure that right now, most Americans can name the top five Republican nominees, but can't name a single Democrat besides Obama. Liberals do exist in the media, but they are rather rare. Pundits are even rarer. Rachel Maddow and Bill Maher come to mind (though the latter is notoriously smarmy and has a rather annoying anti-vaccine slant). |
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Post by lighthorseman on Nov 29, 2011 2:00:49 GMT -5
I agree with the sentiment, but liberals lambast conservatives on spec just as much. Hence I have little respect for anyone who treats discussion topics as sports teams, conservative, liberal or other.
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