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Post by big_electron on Nov 27, 2011 17:27:31 GMT -5
Recently I made some remarks about trying marijuana in a mental health thread. Although I have now retracted the idea of trying for myself, on the basis that my meds work, if it ain't broke don't fix it, cannabis still has uses in mental health, anxiety and PTSD. Everyone's favorite YouTube smartass, TheAmazingAtheist, points out that opposition to marijuana is a matter of taste or just following along with a particular crowd. He argues that all drugs should be legal. I say let's start by legalizing marijuana. If you don't like marijuana or people who smoke it, then don't buy it or smoke it, but let others smoke it if they wish. Also, we could legalize LSD and shrooms. If you don't like the fact that they make you dream while you are still awake, then don't use them, but also don't try to take them away from everyone else. Then there's Miley Cyrus calling herself a pothead: wonderwall.msn.com/music/miley-cyrus-calls-herself-a-stoner-and-a-pothead-1655018.story
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Nov 27, 2011 18:24:27 GMT -5
You're preaching to the choir here, buddy.
I have absolutely no interest in trying marijuana myself. nor crack, nor LSD. Alcohol is as extreme as it'll get, and I can't tolerate more than a buzz. And personally, I don't like the people who are in-your-face about it, act angry when you ask that they not smoke around you or your asthmatic friend, etc. But then, people get that way about cigarettes, too, so I'm not too surprised.
However, I don't see a reason for it to be illegal. The only potentially logical argument is "gateway drug", which is a stupid slippery slope fallacy that is also used to deny gay people the right to marry.
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Post by big_electron on Nov 27, 2011 18:49:10 GMT -5
However, I don't see a reason for it to be illegal. The only potentially logical argument is "gateway drug", which is a stupid slippery slope fallacy that is also used to deny gay people the right to marry. If there is a gateway drug, it's nicotine.
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Post by canadian mojo on Nov 27, 2011 20:06:09 GMT -5
However, I don't see a reason for it to be illegal. The only potentially logical argument is "gateway drug", which is a stupid slippery slope fallacy that is also used to deny gay people the right to marry. If there is a gateway drug, it's nicotine. No, it is actually pot, not because it is bad, but because it arbitrarily puts you on the wrong side of the legal divide and the old adage 'in for a penny, in for a pound' begins to take effect.
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Post by Jebediah on Nov 27, 2011 20:14:47 GMT -5
The only thing marijuana has ever led me to is the fridge. And then the couch.
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Post by big_electron on Nov 27, 2011 22:15:50 GMT -5
Sometimes forgetting and letting go is just as important as remembering. Why PTSD is such a bitch.
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Post by Haseen on Nov 28, 2011 0:31:50 GMT -5
The freedom argument (that what an individual willfully does to his/her own body is nobody's business but their own) is as much as any reasonable person should need to support legalization. This isn't to say the government shouldn't discourage drug use, just that it should be treated as a medical/psychological issue if it becomes a problem. People are more likely to seek help when they don't risk going to jail for it.
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Post by Vene on Nov 28, 2011 0:41:28 GMT -5
The freedom argument (that what an individual willfully does to his/her own body is nobody's business but their own) is as much as any reasonable person should need to support legalization. I don't accept this. One person's actions affect other people, because of this I do have an interest in what you do to yourself. This, however, is an argument I do accept.
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Post by big_electron on Nov 28, 2011 0:49:37 GMT -5
I don't accept this. One person's actions affect other people, because of this I do have an interest in what you do to yourself. This seems like an argument to legalize marijuana, but keep other drugs illegal.
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Post by Vene on Nov 28, 2011 1:05:43 GMT -5
I don't accept this. One person's actions affect other people, because of this I do have an interest in what you do to yourself. This seems like an argument to legalize marijuana, but keep other drugs illegal. Only if you believe marijuana doesn't negatively impact somebody's behavior, but other drugs do.
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Post by big_electron on Nov 28, 2011 1:51:53 GMT -5
Maybe by one person's actions affecting other people, you meant like driving after drinking, or getting stoned.
It's also possible that any drugs, including alcohol or marijuana, can cause one person to negatively affect others, if abused. Don't abuse any drugs! Alcohol, and marijuana, need to be consumed responsibly.
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Post by priestling on Nov 28, 2011 16:20:35 GMT -5
Me, I'd like to try marijuana and LSD, purely for the experience and nothing more. It sounds intriguing.
... plus the government distinction between hemp and weed is stupid as fuck and also needs to be changed.
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Post by Art Vandelay on Nov 28, 2011 19:11:05 GMT -5
This seems like an argument to legalize marijuana, but keep other drugs illegal. Only if you believe marijuana doesn't negatively impact somebody's behavior, but other drugs do. I would argue that the billions of dollars going to untaxed and unregulated drug cartels is a far greater negative impact than second hand smoke and the odd druggie acting like a bellend, especially considering those problems exist already and aren't going anywhere. Illegal =/= unavailable and whatnot.
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Post by Vene on Nov 28, 2011 19:22:40 GMT -5
Only if you believe marijuana doesn't negatively impact somebody's behavior, but other drugs do. I would argue that the billions of dollars going to untaxed and unregulated drug cartels is a far greater negative impact than second hand smoke and the odd druggie acting like a bellend, especially considering those problems exist already and aren't going anywhere. Illegal =/= unavailable and whatnot. There is nothing wrong with this argument.
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Post by big_electron on Nov 29, 2011 0:23:28 GMT -5
Marijuana may retard memory formation, but also enhances creativity. I often wonder how many great works of art, music, or literature came to be after the person smoked some doobage, and maybe downed some shrooms. A lot more than "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds." How do you think groups like the Doobie Brothers, Greenday, and ZZ Top got their names?
I encourage anyone here who aspires to be a musician, artist, or writer, to at least try marijuana.
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