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Post by Wykked Wytch on Dec 23, 2011 14:17:46 GMT -5
my favorite part is Revelations I read Revelations and I was like, "Wow where did this guy get his drugs because I WANT SOME." Also, because this thread needs moar Jewish fundie-ism: My cousin lives in an area that is very close to an Orthodox Jewish neighborhood. He was talking with one of the men there once, who asked him, "Are you Jewish?" to which my cousin replied yes. And the other guy contemptuously said to him, " Then wear a tallith!" A tallith (there's a bunch of different spellings for it) is a prayer shawl that devout men (and some women) wear. There's also a smaller version that's worn under everyday clothes so that only the fringe sticks out. Judaism is not a religion that evangelizes, but a number of Orthodox Jews certainly adopt that attitude around Jews who aren't "traditional/devout/Lawful enough."
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Dec 23, 2011 14:22:59 GMT -5
...From that fundie side of me that I've kept locked away so I can pull stuff out for when it's funny. How do you do that, yet still keep the rest of you reasonably sane? Who says I'm reasaonably sane? ;D
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Post by brendanrizzo on Dec 23, 2011 14:25:10 GMT -5
How do you do that, yet still keep the rest of you reasonably sane? Who says I'm reasaonably sane? ;D Well, you aren't a full-blown fundie...
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Dec 23, 2011 14:30:28 GMT -5
Who says I'm reasaonably sane? ;D Well, you aren't a full-blown fundie... Well, true. In truth, it's more that I remember what I was like back then. So I can call back that attitude and thus argue from that perspective.
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Post by Vene on Dec 23, 2011 14:35:11 GMT -5
Who says I'm reasaonably sane? ;D Well, you aren't a full-blown fundie... Which has nothing to do with sanity.
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Post by Hades on Dec 23, 2011 14:37:08 GMT -5
"You haven't studied the Bible as much as I have, I think I know what's in it." There's an even more irritating variation on that - "You need to have the Holy Spirit in you to interpret correctly." How does the Holy Spirit spin God sending bears to maul children to death into a positive thing? :]
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Dec 23, 2011 14:42:22 GMT -5
"You haven't studied the Bible as much as I have, I think I know what's in it." There's an even more irritating variation on that - "You need to have the Holy Spirit in you to interpret correctly." How does the Holy Spirit spin God sending bears to maul children to death into a positive thing? :] You see, those weren't really children, those were young adults. And they were actually harming Noah* very hard with their attacks. So, the bears were sent by God to rescue Noah from the people about to beat him to death. *I know it wasn't Noah. And this is just me bullshitting Not arguing from fundie memories.
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Post by Wykked Wytch on Dec 23, 2011 14:59:51 GMT -5
"It's just so degrading to consider that humans evolved from monkeys!" - A person who believes people were made from dirt
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Post by Vene on Dec 23, 2011 15:06:01 GMT -5
"It's just so degrading to consider that humans evolved from monkeys!" - A person who believes people were made from dirt I'm sure the monkeys will get over it.
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Post by N. De Plume on Dec 23, 2011 16:17:57 GMT -5
Kinda funny how it keeps on coming back to that, isn’t it? ;D "God isn't testing you for HIS benefit, he's testing you for YOUR benefit" Why does he need to test us rather than grant us whatever benefit we could possibly gain from his sick “Tests”? If the only way God can grant us these benefits is through methods that also harm us, then he is not omnipotent. If he can do so without harming us, but chooses not to, then he is not omnibenevolent.
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Post by canadian mojo on Dec 23, 2011 18:57:49 GMT -5
Judaism is not a religion that evangelizes, but a number of Orthodox Jews certainly adopt that attitude around Jews who aren't "traditional/devout/Lawful enough." Lawful Jewish, this and other major alignment updates coming soon to the next edition of D&D.
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Dec 24, 2011 0:54:10 GMT -5
"God isn't testing you for HIS benefit, he's testing you for YOUR benefit" Why does he need to test us rather than grant us whatever benefit we could possibly gain from his sick “Tests”? If the only way God can grant us these benefits is through methods that also harm us, then he is not omnipotent. If he can do so without harming us, but chooses not to, then he is not omnibenevolent. "He could do that, but it would be interfering with your free will. He's testing you so that YOU know you're capable of overcoming minor trials like unemployment."
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Post by Vypernight on Dec 24, 2011 6:22:43 GMT -5
If God is testing us, then I hope he grades on a curve.
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Dec 24, 2011 6:30:40 GMT -5
If God is testing us, then I hope he grades on a curve. "Please don't make jokes about God. It makes me uncomfortable." Hahaha, this is actually kinda fun.
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Post by N. De Plume on Dec 24, 2011 8:17:31 GMT -5
Why does he need to test us rather than grant us whatever benefit we could possibly gain from his sick “Tests”? If the only way God can grant us these benefits is through methods that also harm us, then he is not omnipotent. If he can do so without harming us, but chooses not to, then he is not omnibenevolent. "He could do that, but it would be interfering with your free will. He's testing you so that YOU know you're capable of overcoming minor trials like unemployment." Why must we be able to overcome our trials? An omnipotent and omnibenevolent god is, by definition, capable and willing to help us out all the time. Such a being is capable of preventing the trials to begin with. And it is the not-so-minor “trials”— ones far worse than unemployment—that are the real concern here. I could also go on a tangent about free will here, but I think that would be too much…
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