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Post by N. De Plume on Jan 1, 2012 21:46:04 GMT -5
Oh, please. That attitude is hardly limited to or omnipresent among males.
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Post by Aqualung on Jan 1, 2012 22:17:18 GMT -5
I hate it when pro-lifers act like the only reason a woman got pregnant is because she didn't use birth control. Using birth control doesn't guarantee you won't get pregnant; it just decreases the chances. And that's not even going into the issues of rape. Edit: I'd also like to add pro-lifers who talk about "responsibility" and "consequences." You can't insist that the life of a fetus is sacred, then act like its main purpose is to serve as a punishment. That's completely degrading, especially if you consider a fetus a person. This is particularly evident when they say that women abort their babies to avoid consequence. Abortion is a consequence. It's true that some women treat it lightly, but for many women, it's a hard decision to even consider, let alone go through. In the end, they have to live with their conscious decision. Taking responsibility means making a decision regarding a situation, not making the decision you think is right. It's funny how pro-lifers like to tell stories of women who are mentally and emotionally crushed because they had an abortion, then say that having an abortion is avoiding consequence. What, being emotionally crippled due to a decision isn't enough of a 'consequence' for you? Why the need to force children to be born so they can punish their mothers, increasing the likelihood of the child itself having a poor life? If you think that it's murder, say it's murder. If you think it's a person, call it a person. But don't call it a consequence like it's something that should be hated by the one who's pregnant. And yes, since women are apparently having abortions to "avoid the consequences and responsibility," that means it's something they don't want to do, meaning that the consequence is negative and they're taking responsibility for a bad or undesirable consequence. Some women are happy they didn't abort, some women aren't. And for those that aren't and kept their baby, that's sometimes bad news for the baby. And believe it or not, there are women with children who wish they didn't have them but still love their children. I know because a family member of mine is one. She's said more than once that she never wanted kids, and never really wanted to get married, but did because it was expected of her. She's told me that if she could do her life over again she would not have kids, and preferably not get married. This doesn't mean that she hates her children or was neglectful to them growing up. She loves them very much. She just wishes she could've lived her life the way she wanted to, and that includes not having kids. When I told her I don't plan on having kids at all, she said 'don't ever let anyone talk or guilt you into having them if you don't want to have them.' If you're wondering what this has to do with anything (I was wondering that myself for a while), I guess it's an argument against the ideals pro-lifers have that once a woman has and keeps a baby, the woman instantly falls in love with the child and could never imagine life without the child, and that the child is the best thing that ever happened in their life, and any woman who feels different is a horrible parent. Some women are grateful for their children and can't imagine not having them, and others love their children but still would've preferred it if they had waited until later in their life, or to not have had any to begin with. I know it seems weird or oxymoronic, but it's possible. I dislike typing huge posts. I tend to go off on long tangents. Once I got in an argument with a pro-lifer who said that women should be forced to bring fetuses to term because "their instincts will kick in eventually." He went on to say that women who say they don't want children are freaks of nature. Being normal is overrated anyway.
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Post by Rat Of Steel on Jan 2, 2012 3:53:08 GMT -5
Being normal is overrated anyway. Ain't it, though? *high-fives Aqualung*
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Post by clockworkgirl21 on Jan 2, 2012 17:26:46 GMT -5
"Abortion doesn't make you not pregnant, it makes you the mother of a dead baby."
Even if the baby part was true, can you really argue that abortion doesn't make you not pregnant?
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Post by lexikon on Jan 2, 2012 17:53:08 GMT -5
Also, people who claim abortion increases the chance of Breast Cancer. Although one good thing that came from it was that is helped the creation of Rationalwiki
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Post by Shane for Wax on Jan 2, 2012 17:55:48 GMT -5
"Abortion doesn't make you not pregnant, it makes you the mother of a dead baby." Even if the baby part was true, can you really argue that abortion doesn't make you not pregnant? That takes a leap of logic. How do you no longer become pregnant then if abortion...?
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Post by Sigmaleph on Jan 2, 2012 20:26:44 GMT -5
So... if an abortion doesn't make you not pregnant, what does? Giving birth to another child? A hysterectomy? Death?
More importantly: If a young, healthy woman came up to this person at the bus and told them they had an abortion a month before, would they give up their seat?
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Post by lexikon on Jan 2, 2012 20:28:16 GMT -5
Let's put that logic to the test.
"Giving birth does not make you not pregnant, it makes you the mother of a living baby"
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Post by brendanrizzo on Jan 2, 2012 21:45:55 GMT -5
"Abortion doesn't make you not pregnant, it makes you the mother of a dead baby." Even if the baby part was true, can you really argue that abortion doesn't make you not pregnant? Has anyone ever actually used that argument? It seems ridiculous even for fundies.
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Post by Shane for Wax on Jan 2, 2012 21:48:06 GMT -5
I am hoping there's just a word missing
'Abortion doesn't just make you not pregnant, it makes you the mother of a dead baby.'
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Post by Wykked Wytch on Jan 2, 2012 22:02:07 GMT -5
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Post by gyeonghwa on Jan 3, 2012 1:51:14 GMT -5
"You just want special rights"
No, I want to be able to walk down the street and not get beaten up for acting "effeminate", for taking a glace at a guy*, or wearing freaking rainbows. Just like how you get to walk around with a cross and not get beaten up for it.
Besides, it seems that it's you want marriage as a special rights for those who fit your religious straight-jacket.
"Just be lucky" - I have had a Mormon tell me this.
I can't decide if that's a threat or not. Are you suggesting that if it weren't for anti-hate crime laws you'd beat the living shit out of me for being gay? The surprising thing is that atheists sometimes use this phrase too in regards to the other social matters.
*which, btw, is a double standard.
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Post by pavlovscat on Jan 8, 2012 11:37:36 GMT -5
"You can't argue with a changed life"
Sure you can! If not, I guess you have to accept the legitimacy of Islam, or Scientology, or.....name your cult.
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Post by czechmate on Jan 8, 2012 15:32:32 GMT -5
"This is foretold in the Bible" This is like predicting that Monday is followed by Teusday and claiming it to be proof of the Almighty's existance. The brain of the fundie has but one function - to keep their ears apart.
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Post by xaviara on Jun 15, 2012 13:58:37 GMT -5
Also, people who claim abortion increases the chance of Breast Cancer. Although one good thing that came from it was that is helped the creation of Rationalwiki actually, while abortions don't "cause" breast cancer, they do increase the risks - whereas carrying a baby to full term causes the breast tissue to complete development and almost completely eliminates the risk. but, still, advising people to have a kid in order to avoid getting cancer would be pretty ridiculous.
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