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Post by Art Vandelay on Nov 29, 2011 22:46:40 GMT -5
When people say things like "that's not very Christian", "it's the Christian thing to do" or any other variation thereof. "Christian" and "good" are not synonymous, no matter how hard you try.
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Post by lexikon on Nov 29, 2011 22:55:50 GMT -5
The children God killed went to heaven, so it was okay.
Cells are complicated and couldn't have evolved
The Bible is 66 books written by over 40 men over a period of 1500 years on 3 continents, and has NO contradictions.
1. There were a lot more books
2. Most of the authors are anonumous
3. More like edited over a period of 900 years, and canonized 200 years after the final text.
4. Only if you count the Epistles
5. I'm not holding my breath...
Macroevolution can't work without abiogenesis but microevolution can work without macroevolution. Since Abiogenesis can't be proven, that means macroevolution is false. (Yes, someone out there is this dim)
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Post by tolpuddlemartyr on Nov 29, 2011 23:03:38 GMT -5
"I'll pray for you!"
Use the short version folks, which is...
"Fuck you!"
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Post by brendanrizzo on Nov 29, 2011 23:04:51 GMT -5
Any and every straw man argument against the theory of evolution which has already been refuted at least a thousand times.
Also, anything which implies that the victim of a rape "had it coming".
Furthermore, anything that David Barton, Rush Limbaugh, or Bryan Fischer have ever said.
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Post by lexikon on Nov 29, 2011 23:11:54 GMT -5
Any and every straw man argument against the theory of evolution which has already been refuted at least a thousand times. Which is pretty much all of them. Doesn't shut up the fundies though. Tornado in a junk yard, har har har!
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Post by Wykked Wytch on Nov 29, 2011 23:27:58 GMT -5
Don't you know? "This country was founded on Christian ideals/this is a Christian nation, everyone else can either put up with it or get out!" What's wrong with it is that some people are too petty to recognize that they don't own everyone else's freedoms of belief & expression. Even before I was an atheist, people like that pissed me off. My family's (nominally) Jewish. From my perspective, it's always seemed like Christians are a bit insecure about their faith. Why else would they need to put Christian monuments on public land, or the Ten Commandments on public buildings, or have Christian prayer in public schools? It's like they have to reinforce the notion that everyone is just like them, just so they don't have to put up with considering that America is a religiously diverse country. "Ah, all done. We got the Ten Commandments up on this public building, so that everyone knows that the majority of us are Christians, which in a democracy means that Christians represent everybody. We're all Christians, right? Right?" Oh, and the whole schtick where fundies gush out about how much they loooooooooove the Jewish people, and that they show this by supporting Israel no matter what, and that by the way they haaaaaaaaate those evil Muslim Arabs too so they think we're on the same boat. First of all, it comes off as really insincere, especially considering that Christian societies persecuted Jews for hundreds and hundreds of years, and that their Torah fanfic holy book has been used as justification. This doesn't seem to bother them at all - they just hand-waive it away, saying that those people weren't real Christians. How do you think an Inquisitor or witch-hunter would react to today's Christians? They'd probably say the exact same thing! Secondly, having a raging hard-on for Israel is not the same thing as respecting Jews. The answer to antisemitism is not philosemitism, which at times can be almost as creepy. Yes, I know that we Jews like to toot our own horns a lot and brag to our grandkids that famous scientist/musician/political figure/datamancer was Jewish, but I've always seen it as done in response to underlying assumptions that many people have about all the important people being Christians, the same way that American textbooks are slanted to mainly expound on the deeds of straight white men. Another thing: Israel is extremely controversial, even among Jews. Yes, there are some Jews who will agree with fundies on the topic, but there are many Jews who are ambivalent, neutral, or even opposed to Israel's existence. (And no, the anti-Zionist Jews are not "wishy-washy liberals." Many are, in fact, Orthodox.) Associating one political view with a diverse group of people is wrong, the same way it would be wrong to assume that all Christians are dominionists. Furthermore, by spreading the lie that all Jews wholeheartedly approve of all of Israel's actions, it's painting an image that no one will criticize out of fear of charges of antisemitism. They're basically putting words in our mouths to spread their religious agenda. In the meantime, antisemites who hate Israel and the Jews have a convenient strawman to attack - rabid Zionist Jewish secret agents who will re-found their ancestral nation at any bloody cost. It only serves to polarize the debate. Lastly, most Jews aren't religious bigots like fundies. Jewish opinions of Muslims are as varied as the rest of the population. But most Jews do not feel that Muslims are inferior human beings. This probably has something to do with differences in Christian and Jewish theology. In Christianity, you must be a Christian or else you will go to Hell. Your deeds in this life are irrelevant as long as you accept Jesus before you die. In Judaism, nobody can agree what happens after you die. Some Jews believe that the dead will slumber until the Messiah comes, others believe in reincarnation, some believe in no afterlife at all, and some believe that a person's moral deeds in life determine where they go. There are also huge differences in theology between punishment in the afterlife (if there is any) as well as the role of Satan. Regardless, most Jews (heck, most sane people) realize that Muslim extremists in the Middle East do not speak for all Muslims, the same way Christian dominionists don't speak for all Christians. /kvetch mode
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Post by gyeonghwa on Nov 29, 2011 23:37:00 GMT -5
Lastly, most Jews aren't religious bigots like fundies. Jewish opinions of Muslims are as varied as the rest of the population. But most Jews do not feel that Muslims are inferior human beings. This probably has something to do with differences in Christian and Jewish theology. In Christianity, you must be a Christian or else you will go to Hell. Your deeds in this life are irrelevant as long as you accept Jesus before you die. In Judaism, nobody can agree what happens after you die. Some Jews believe that the dead will slumber until the Messiah comes, others believe in reincarnation, some believe in no afterlife at all, and some believe that a person's moral deeds in life determine where they go. There are also huge differences in theology between punishment in the afterlife (if there is any) as well as the role of Satan. Regardless, most Jews (heck, most sane people) realize that Muslim extremists in the Middle East do not speak for all Muslims, the same way Christian dominionists don't speak for all Christians. /kvetch mode Fucking this. I hate when fundie Christians claim to know what Jewish people believe. They don't. Jewish people knows what Jewish people believe. I hate that you get called anti-Semitic for saying the situation between Palestine and Israel is more gray than commonly portrayed.
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Post by Admiral Lithp on Nov 29, 2011 23:39:33 GMT -5
It is insincere, they don't care about Judaism, or even support Israel. They'll tell you straight up that Jews will go to Hell for not accepting "The Messiah." Of course the Jews wouldn't know the details of their own mythical hero figure better than the Christians. No, their nominal "support" of Jews comes from the fact that the re-establishment of Israel plays a key role in their doomsday scenario.
This questioning=hatred thing somehow does not transition over into the religious doctrines. I also hate how they act like "There are some documented human rights violations on Israel's part" means "Palestine can do no wrong.
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Post by lexikon on Nov 30, 2011 0:05:55 GMT -5
Lastly, most Jews aren't religious bigots like fundies. Jewish opinions of Muslims are as varied as the rest of the population. But most Jews do not feel that Muslims are inferior human beings. This probably has something to do with differences in Christian and Jewish theology. In Christianity, you must be a Christian or else you will go to Hell. Your deeds in this life are irrelevant as long as you accept Jesus before you die. In Judaism, nobody can agree what happens after you die. Some Jews believe that the dead will slumber until the Messiah comes, others believe in reincarnation, some believe in no afterlife at all, and some believe that a person's moral deeds in life determine where they go. There are also huge differences in theology between punishment in the afterlife (if there is any) as well as the role of Satan. Regardless, most Jews (heck, most sane people) realize that Muslim extremists in the Middle East do not speak for all Muslims, the same way Christian dominionists don't speak for all Christians. /kvetch mode Fucking this. I hate when fundie Christians claim to know what Jewish people believe. They don't. Jewish people knows what Jewish people believe. I hate that you get called anti-Semitic for saying the situation between Palestine and Israel is more gray than commonly portrayed. Considering most of their books are Jewish, Christians should know what Jews believe. Of course Fundie Christians often claim to know what most other religious people believe (Mormons, Wiccans, Hindus ect), and they often consist of sacrificing children to demons or getting into orgies or something like that.
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Post by Wykked Wytch on Nov 30, 2011 0:47:00 GMT -5
It is insincere, they don't care about Judaism, or even support Israel. They'll tell you straight up that Jews will go to Hell for not accepting "The Messiah." Of course the Jews wouldn't know the details of their own mythical hero figure better than the Christians. No, their nominal "support" of Jews comes from the fact that the re-establishment of Israel plays a key role in their doomsday scenario. This questioning=hatred thing somehow does not transition over into the religious doctrines. I also hate how they act like "There are some documented human rights violations on Israel's part" means "Palestine can do no wrong. It's like there are Christian fundies on one side and Muslim fundies on the other, and they're pulling the Jews back and forth to get them to agree with them so they can say, "See? The Jews agree with me! You should listen to me now because I have Jewish support!" The Christian fundies want Jewish support because they think it makes their religious objectives seem more palatable. The Muslim fundies want Jewish support so that they can claim the "I have a Jewish friend" defense when they're called out on saying something extremely racist and offensive.
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Post by Wykked Wytch on Nov 30, 2011 1:01:03 GMT -5
I hate that you get called anti-Semitic for saying the situation between Palestine and Israel is more gray than commonly portrayed. You'd think that explaining that both sides have noble reasons but have done things wrong would satisfy everybody, but for some reason both side gets mad when I bring it up. In a conversation about Israel, I feel I have to be inb4 the Zionist Jews or else no one will take my position seriously. Once an extreme Zionist Jew claims the "I'm a Jew, your argument is invalid" card, any Jews objecting to the contrary get labelled "un-Jewish" or worse. I've had other Jews (!) call me a traitor for sympathizing with Palestinians. (This is especially vicious because Jewishness is not just a religion, it is also an ethnicity. I consider it the equivalent of calling someone a "race traitor", as many White Nationalists are prone to do.) There is an unspoken exception to Godwin's Law: If the person who brings up the comparison to Hitler or Nazis is a Jew, then they are exempt from the rule and their comparison stands as valid. Because the Holocaust was bad and Jews died in it, m'kay?
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Post by Haseen on Nov 30, 2011 1:32:32 GMT -5
Atheists know God exists but are rebelling against him. Or throwing a tantrum. My religion is the default, and holding any other belief is only done to be intentionally wrong.
All religions other than [my extremely specific version of] Christianity actually worships Satan who is disguised as their god. Even if there is no god to be worshiped, as in atheism (because atheists actually worship Darwin, who is Satan (and probably on Hitler's shoulders under a trenchcoat) in disguise).
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Post by Admiral Lithp on Nov 30, 2011 1:50:46 GMT -5
Muslim Fundies are especially fun because:
"Your western culture is so oppressive with its short shorts & whoring out women!"
Yes, we are aware we unintentionally promote some fucked up messages, but I'm not the one sitting here claiming, serious as a motherfucking heart attack, "The only way people can respect women is if she hides all signs of her femininity, lest she tempt men."
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Post by Thejebusfire on Nov 30, 2011 1:55:36 GMT -5
I hate it when you lose a loved one, and fundies either tell you not to be upset because their in heaven, or they blast your dead granny because she didn't believe in their version of Christianity.
As you can tell, that's happened to me before.
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Post by Shane for Wax on Nov 30, 2011 2:28:27 GMT -5
"____ is Satanism in disguise!"
I forgot this one. I've had it personally thrown at me over Wicca. They are wrong on so many accounts it made my head spin.
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