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Post by Dragon Zachski on Dec 1, 2011 6:58:58 GMT -5
The same party that on public television basically said that the poor who get sick should die, to loud cheers from the audience, is now saying that if there was universal health care his daughter would not get treated. This level of hypocrisy, doublethink and downright lies and ignorance is beyond comprehension. I know. Scary isn't it? I want to move to Canada >_< |
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Post by Mlle Antéchrist on Dec 1, 2011 10:18:01 GMT -5
Bullshit. I aid for a girl who has an incurable genetic condition -- she isn't denied care. In fact, teh ebilz socialize medicine has paid for a number of expensive, complicated surgeries even though she's considered terminal, with a distressingly short life-expectancy. Her family absolutely would not be able to afford the care she needs without coverage, and it's guaranteed that any private insurer would have turned her away on account of her condition, as evidenced by the fact that she was rejected for travel health coverage and forced to cancel a trip down to the US not too long ago. My own damn paycheck comes from funds allocated to her family by the government specifically for the purpose of hiring a home care aid.
She isn't an exception to the rule, either. Does this asshole really think that we'd just put up with it if the province was allowing the elderly and disabled to waste away without proper care?
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Post by Hyperio on Dec 1, 2011 11:11:38 GMT -5
Socialized medicine system can work as badly as private medicine insurance system in the US - you just need to massively underfund it (example: Poland). But even then it's better for most of the people with chronic illnesses - as long as you survive the long queue, you GET the treatment (and not go bankrupt).
Somehow I get the feeling that if US got the public option, Republicans would scream to cut it down as soon as possible (cause they apparently consider any money for the poor as a waste).
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Post by brendanrizzo on Dec 1, 2011 11:13:34 GMT -5
Ironbite, we have a serious matter. The Angry Dome isn't big enough to contain my sheer rage!
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Post by canadian mojo on Dec 1, 2011 15:47:46 GMT -5
Bullshit. I aid for a girl who has an incurable genetic condition -- she isn't denied care. In fact, teh ebilz socialize medicine has paid for a number of expensive, complicated surgeries even though she's considered terminal, with a distressingly short life-expectancy. Her family absolutely would not be able to afford the care she needs without coverage, and it's guaranteed that any private insurer would have turned her away on account of her condition, as evidenced by the fact that she was rejected for travel health coverage and forced to cancel a trip down to the US not too long ago. My own damn paycheck comes from funds allocated to her family by the government specifically for the purpose of hiring a home care aid. She isn't an exception to the rule, either. Does this asshole really think that we'd just put up with it if the province was allowing the elderly and disabled to waste away without proper care? I would like to point out for those who are unaware that Mille Antechrist lives in the most conservative province in the country... a mindset it has held for many, many decades. |
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Dec 1, 2011 16:55:16 GMT -5
Ironbite, we have a serious matter. The Angry Dome isn't big enough to contain my sheer rage! Here, have an Anger Multiverse. |
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Post by ironbite on Dec 1, 2011 19:15:46 GMT -5
I've got Angry Domes, Angry Dodecahedron, and Angry Universes.
Ironbite-not sure what you WANT FROM ME!
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Post by Yla on Dec 2, 2011 6:36:59 GMT -5
Angry Infinite-dimensional Spaces.
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Post by ltfred on Dec 2, 2011 7:13:14 GMT -5
Socialized medicine system can work as badly as private medicine insurance system in the US But you're comparing apples and oranges. Public health insurance will always work better than private health insurance. Health care is a completely different kettle of fish. The question for insurers is- do you appropriately allocate care? Do you keep costs down? Do you preference prevention over cure? Are there good health consequences? The answer to all of these questions, for Canada, is yes. And for the US, no. This is why the 'Long Lines' criticism of Canada annoys me*. Maybe they don't have enough doctors. That has nothing at all to do with their health insurance system. You should be talking about medical school reform, or an increase in wages. * Particularly since it's an outright lie. Canada has shorter lines than the US, despite covering their entire population (the US line is naturally shorter by 20%, because it excludes that many American from any modern medicine altogether). The American line appears shorter for many jounalists, because people with good insurance get to cut in the line in front of people with bad insurance. |
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Post by Hyperio on Dec 2, 2011 9:43:21 GMT -5
Socialized medicine system can work as badly as private medicine insurance system in the US But you're comparing apples and oranges. Public health insurance will always work better than private health insurance. Health care is a completely different kettle of fish. The question for insurers is- do you appropriately allocate care? Do you keep costs down? Do you preference prevention over cure? Are there good health consequences? The answer to all of these questions, for Canada, is yes. And for the US, no. This is why the 'Long Lines' criticism of Canada annoys me*. Maybe they don't have enough doctors. That has nothing at all to do with their health insurance system. You should be talking about medical school reform, or an increase in wages. * Particularly since it's an outright lie. Canada has shorter lines than the US, despite covering their entire population (the US line is naturally shorter by 20%, because it excludes that many American from any modern medicine altogether). The American line appears shorter for many jounalists, because people with good insurance get to cut in the line in front of people with bad insurance. I know that public health insurance is always better than private-only health insurance. It is because private companies work to maximize their own profit, not to save as many people's health as possible. My remark was more of a side remark: you can have nearly as bad public health insurance system as US private health insurance system but in order to get it to drop it to that level of badness you have to massively underfund it (to the level where most hospitals are near bankrupt every year - which is happening in Poland). My only hope for Polish health insurance system is that they will increase amount of money spent on it - because right now it's clearly unsustainable. I know that most of the Europe's public health systems fare much better. |
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Post by CtraK on Dec 2, 2011 17:04:53 GMT -5
Someone leave it out in the sun?
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