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Post by lexikon on Dec 22, 2011 21:40:36 GMT -5
Well I'm not interested in breaking them and I enjoy following them. So you're looking at the wrong guy. So what is freaking wrong with a boy in a dress!?!?!?!? You state that society says it's wrong, but then state you don't want to change it? But x is not accepted in society! You're a bad parent. Just throwing your logic at you.
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Post by Kisare on Dec 22, 2011 21:40:46 GMT -5
That is what cestle said. Nothing further, your honor. This man is concerned for one thing, his public image and that it is bad for little boys to wear dresses even if they aren't trans. I....have no words. Fuck. *tries to articulate a sentence* A little boy doesn't know what 'trans' means. He just knows that wearing dresses makes him feel good. And you're going to deny him the ability to do this because society doesn't approve. You, sir, are not fit to be a parent. Please report to the nearest medical center for immediate sterilization. Edited to fix my stupid. Ignore plox!
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Post by ironbite on Dec 22, 2011 21:43:02 GMT -5
Or better yet let me do it.
Ironbite-you might not survive but then again do I look like I give a shit?
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Post by lighthorseman on Dec 22, 2011 21:46:08 GMT -5
Much to my continuing dismay, and despite buying her astronaut flight suits and DPCU fatigues, my daughter insists on wearing pink dresses, the twirlier the better *le sigh*
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Post by ironbite on Dec 22, 2011 21:48:13 GMT -5
OH NO! SOMEONE CALL THE COPS ON LHM FOR BEING CONFUSED ABOUT WHAT HIS DAUGHTER, WHO APPARENTLY WANTS TO BE AN ASTRONAUT, WEARS!
Ironbite-incidentally, get her hooked on math as soon as possible.
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Post by lexikon on Dec 22, 2011 21:48:32 GMT -5
Or better yet let me do it. Ironbite-you might not survive but then again do I look like I give a shit? If you do, I'd like you to videotape it so I can watch over and over. Much to my continuing dismay, and despite buying her astronaut flight suits and DPCU fatigues, my daughter insists on wearing pink dresses, the twirlier the better *le sigh* Accodring to Celeste, you should just throw away the clothes and make her wear astronaut flight suits.
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Post by Kali on Dec 22, 2011 21:52:00 GMT -5
No, but twirly pink dresses are socially acceptable for girls. You should throw away the astronaut flight suits; why on earth would a girl want to be a scientist? /weird, upside-down "logic"
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Post by Kisare on Dec 22, 2011 21:53:14 GMT -5
I think this way because society collectively thinks this way. There are just things we do to keep in mind how other people perceive ourselves. It's a sort of organically developed, unspoken communal pact that I don't think anybody can definitively explain. It's things we do to please others. All I'm saying is that, while a happy medium is not always the right answer, in this respect it is. Be yourself certainly, but don't be a social outcast. Children's movies, TV shows, etc. are always telling kids to "Be yourself!" What I'm saying is that this lesson, taken purely without any moderation, isn't good either. So basically, you have no independent thought whatsoever. You're a hive-brain. You do whatever society says. I have no sympathy for you.
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Post by lexikon on Dec 22, 2011 22:05:20 GMT -5
We should lock him in a room with an objectivist. That should be fun to watch. No, but twirly pink dresses are socially acceptable for girls. You should throw away the astronaut flight suits; why on earth would a girl want to be a scientist? /weird, upside-down "logic" It's really hard to get what Celeste thinks of parenting. It's close to doublethink. So 1. A parent has the ability to make their kid dress however they want and have every right to exercize this. 2. A parent should force their kids wear whatever society deems apropriate, and could be restricted on things like race and gender 3. Celeste would allow his kids to wear whatever they want even if it is not accepted in society if he personally didn't have a problem with it. Which is kind of a contradiction of 2, but whatever.
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Post by cestlefun17 on Dec 22, 2011 22:11:12 GMT -5
It depends on what "x" is. For example, let's say x is take dance lessons. While it's not acceptable in the would-be teasers' minds for boys to take dance lessons, dancing is a highly respected art in which men and women can find successful careers, or else find satisfying hobbies. Male and female dancers are needed in many legitimate stage productions of musicals and ballets.
I'm speaking in regards to personal appearance and hygiene. Not allowing girls to be astronauts (side-note: while if my young daughter wanted to grow up to be an astronaut I would be more than happy to encourage that; however, it would never be appropriate to wear an astronaut costume in public unless it was Halloween) is derived from gender stereotypes based on the notion that somehow women are inferior to men and less intelligent than them. I don't see how having certain societal expectations for men's personal appearance and grooming, other societal expectations for women's personal appearance and grooming, and still other societal expectations regarding personal appearance and grooming applicable to both sexes, fits a paradigm of advocating for women being considered lesser than men or vice versa.
No, that would be the other extreme. It's always the extremes on here. But I can totally see how you can arrive at this conclusion from me saying "Be yourself, but moderate this with some desire to fit in with society."
1. Yes correct. 2. Somewhat correct, although I don't see how race entered into this. 3. If I didn't care about my children's personal appearance, then yes I would let them wear whatever they want. But this isn't true: I do care about their personal appearance, so therefore no they can't wear what they want.
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Post by Thejebusfire on Dec 22, 2011 22:18:20 GMT -5
Just because sociaty has deemed something as abnormal doesn't mean it's wrong. There was once a time when it was socialy unacceptable for women to wear pants. Saying you won't let your son wear a skirt because it would "make you look bad," to me, is no different than banning your children from dating outside their race because it may make you look bad.
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Post by Wykked Wytch on Dec 22, 2011 22:18:54 GMT -5
Sorry, when you are a small child you have no freedom. That's why it's totally okay for me to spank my kids when they break the rules. It's because they don't have any freedom.
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Post by cestlefun17 on Dec 22, 2011 22:19:37 GMT -5
Again, another inability to distinguish between chosen behaviors and inherent characteristics.
Well that's a whole different debate. Obviously parents can't abuse their kids, which is not what I was at all saying. Parents have the final word on everything: small children don't get to decide what they'll wear to school or what we'll eat for supper or when they go to bed. If they get any say-so, the parents still have the final say.
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Post by ironbite on Dec 22, 2011 22:20:21 GMT -5
Again...you're saying words you don't fully understand.
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Post by Wykked Wytch on Dec 22, 2011 22:22:07 GMT -5
Again, another inability to distinguish between chosen behaviors and inherent characteristics. People can choose whether or not to date people of another race. They cannot choose their gender identity.
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