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Post by itachirumon on Dec 29, 2011 11:54:15 GMT -5
I came to figure out why I hate this line. The usual "I turned out okay" - NO, NO, YOU FUCKING DIDN'T! YOU THINK HITTING CHILDREN is okay! You did NOT turn out okay yourself, you turned out fucked up in the goddamn head! Otherwise, you'd be as outraged as the REST of us are. Us SANE people.
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Post by shykid on Dec 29, 2011 12:08:28 GMT -5
When you try to insult someone by calling them a "do gooder," then you're either a bad person or a Saturday morning cartoon villain.
Abusing a child is more barbaric and "unbehaved" [sic] than pretty much anything that child could do to you.
"because as always these do gooders had to stick their noses in Jeffrey Dahmer's PRIVATE LIFE and say he shouldn't kill and eat people." Do you see how absolutely ridiculous that line of "reasoning" is now?
I also survived sexual abuse and relentless bullying as a child. That doesn't make those things okay, nor do I wish them upon any other person simply because I had to experience them.
That's not something to be proud of. Violence is sometimes necessary for self-defense, but even then it is acceptable only to the degree necessary to defend oneself, and it is still nothing to be romanticized or glorified. The fact it was necessary is still a shortcoming. Either way, violence is almost never necessary to defend yourself from a child.
I think that's better than beating another human being their flesh is blue. If you don't have the patience to discipline a child without resorting to violence and authoritarianism, then you don't have the patience for a child.
Mommie Dearest was not an instructional video on parenting.
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Post by shykid on Dec 29, 2011 12:10:46 GMT -5
I came to figure out why I hate this line. The usual "I turned out okay" - NO, NO, YOU FUCKING DIDN'T! YOU THINK HITTING CHILDREN is okay! You did NOT turn out okay yourself, you turned out fucked up in the goddamn head! Otherwise, you'd be as outraged as the REST of us are. Us SANE people. Bingo.
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Post by driewerf on Dec 29, 2011 12:45:51 GMT -5
From daleslady48: ...holy hell, lady. I don't like kids, but that's why I don't want to become a mother; you don't like kids, so...you...have them? Wha? The same person wrote this: (caps are in the original ; colours are mine) So, any one contradicting daleslady48 has brats, while she has children. (I tend to believe rather the opposite, but that's not to blame the children.)
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Post by driewerf on Dec 29, 2011 12:52:01 GMT -5
I also survived sexual abuse and relentless bullying as a child. That doesn't make those things okay, nor do I wish them upon any other person simply because I had to experience them. Ow, so surviving is the aim? I go for a higher target: educate my children to become a decent, well balanced, happy, culturally and scientifically educated, self assured person. Loyal to his country and community, nice to his friends and relatives. that's a little harder to achieve than just 'surviving'. But then, it's just me.
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Post by rageaholic on Dec 29, 2011 13:02:33 GMT -5
Damn more corporal punishment nutcases. You got all these idiots who think that no one read the book or that it's being taken out of context. Bullshit, I read a few excerts that actually advocated hitting infants! And they weren't taken out of context. I also saw Michael Pearl interviewed by CNN. www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5EDVVP861QAt about 4 minutes in, he defends the use of using rods and switches because "swatting with an open hand doesn't hurt". While I don't know if I can blame him for SEVEN HOUR FATAL BEATING of the 7 year old adopted girl, I can blame him for advocating dangerous child rearing methods. Just five minutes reading any child psychology textbook will tell you that. However, Christfag fundies will most brush off psychology as some ebul librul conspiracy. Fuckers.
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Post by shykid on Dec 29, 2011 13:40:56 GMT -5
This is why free child-psychology and discipline classes should be offered for all parents. Many of the people who chose this book would just as easily choose the free classes. I'm sure some people picked up this book because it advocated child abuse, but I am also sure that just as many people were simply looking for legitimate parenting help, since most books are purchased based on the cover alone, and the Pearls' book has a serenely deceptive cover (because that child doesn't have a black eye and a bloodied nose). Frankly, though, the title alone would disgust me enough to stay away from the book: To Train up a Child? Really?? Hell, I just realized that I don't remember ever saying that I "trained" my pets; I would probably say that I "taught" them or something.
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Post by brendanrizzo on Dec 29, 2011 15:16:57 GMT -5
I feel a strong urge to see the Pearls' parenting methods tried on them personally.
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Post by The_L on Dec 29, 2011 15:27:00 GMT -5
This is why free child-psychology and discipline classes should be offered for all parents. Many of the people who chose this book would just as easily choose the free classes. I'm sure some people picked up this book because it advocated child abuse, but I am also sure that just as many people were simply looking for legitimate parenting help, since most books are purchased based on the cover alone, and the Pearls' book has a serenely deceptive cover (because that child doesn't have a black eye and a bloodied nose). Frankly, though, the title alone would disgust me enough to stay away from the book: To Train up a Child? Really?? Hell, I just realized that I don't remember ever saying that I "trained" my pets; I would probably say that I "taught" them or something. I think it came from the KJV verse "Train up a child in the way he should go; and when he grows, he will not depart from it." That doesn't stop it from sounding really creepy, though.
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Post by Wykked Wytch on Dec 29, 2011 15:36:38 GMT -5
Hitting your children out of rage means you have an anger problem, but hitting your kids out of love can only mean you're a sadist. If seeing your kid cry after being punished is some kind of rewarding sight for you, then you're not fit to be a parent.
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Post by Thejebusfire on Dec 29, 2011 17:41:46 GMT -5
Then don't be surprized when your children grow up and behave like wild party animals.
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Post by itachirumon on Dec 29, 2011 18:10:38 GMT -5
I agree, I think the Pearls need to have "The Rod" used on them. In fact, *offers up a sharpened sword* I think we'll call this sword a "switch" and beat them fuckless with it.
Then we'll use it on "No mam, yes mam, thank you mam." Or.. I've got a better one for you, MOTHERFUCKING CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES IS ALL UP IN YOUR GRILL ASSCLOWN! You don't like people "in your business" eh, let's see how you like the CPS busting down your door and taking your kids someplace where they don't have to be around your sorry whuppin' ass.
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Post by Shane for Wax on Dec 29, 2011 18:28:00 GMT -5
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Post by lighthorseman on Dec 29, 2011 20:10:42 GMT -5
Hate the Pearls, despise their philosophy, but, you know freedom of speech and all... Even freedom of speech has its limits. Incitement to violence and abuse is one of them.[/quote]Then its not freedom, is it? Ibelieve the correc t response is to diseminate better information, more effectively, rather than elling people "you can't say that". Harder? Definitely, but a much truer victory when you change someones mind.
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Post by Wykked Wytch on Dec 29, 2011 20:19:43 GMT -5
Hate the Pearls, despise their philosophy, but, you know freedom of speech and all... Then its not freedom, is it? Ibelieve the correc t response is to diseminate better information, more effectively, rather than elling people "you can't say that". Harder? Definitely, but a much truer victory when you change someones mind. "Incitement to violence" is always a tricky issue when it comes to freedom of speech. If someone is explicitly instructing someone to be violent or kill another person, then that obviously is a criminal action. But just using "violent rhetoric" like putting sniper signs on a map is not, in my opinion, enough to be considered "incitement to violence." Incitement to violence: "Abortion doctors are baby murderers and should be shot." Not incitement to violence: "Abortion doctors are committing murder against babies." Saying "Children should be beaten as a form of punishment," however, is absolutely an incitement to violence. It is advocating an illegal activity - namely, beating children.
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