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Post by Admiral Lithp on Jul 13, 2009 1:14:05 GMT -5
If he uses a scythe, somehow, he will become immeasurably more badass with the power to rain down flower petals.
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Post by John E on Jul 13, 2009 1:31:39 GMT -5
Of course. The videos were wrong because the tangs weren't the width of the hilt. It has nothing to do with proportion. Mostly, those videos were to demonstrate the dangers of a weak tang. In a properly made sword, the tang would be nearly the width of the hilt grip. For a significantly heavier blade (say about 10 times heavier than a claymore, like the buster sword) you'd need a much wider tang, and as a result, a much wider hilt grip. Here's a video of some guys who made a real, steel buster sword. As you'll see, it holds together pretty well with a normal sized hilt, but then again, they aren't swinging it with much force, because they can barely hold it up. Something like this would be completely useless in a fight. And before anyone says, "Well those guys just weren't very strong. A real warrior, who'd trained all his life could use it," let me remind everyone that in the middle ages, professional warriors who had trained all their lives, the kind of guys that your average foot soldier would crap himself upon seeing advancing toward him, used two-handed swords that maxed out at around 6 pounds. The buster sword in the video was 46 lbs. Nobody, and I mean nobody could wield that effectively. </rant> Sorry, I ran on a bit there.
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Post by ryushikaze on Jul 13, 2009 14:05:49 GMT -5
Lithpy, it helps not to lie about us on a forum then link us to said forum as evidence, especially when I already have an account here. To clear the air- no one is Saying Buster is good, reasonable, or even remotely plausible to use. In fact, we all agree you'd need to be a superhuman to wield it properly. Our major bone of contention is the claim, made by Lithp, that the handle would snap off of the blade as the weight of the blade would prove too much for it. My first comment was- poorly worded I shall admit- a statement that if the handle was a full tang, and took up the the whole of the handle, then there should be no real issue with regards to weight, as incidentally, the last video you posted has shown. He posted us here, to the rattail tang videos, which were quite good, but did not make the point he was trying to make. There is also the side discussion that he like swords which should have the exact same issues he raised in Buster, but does not wish to unilaterally apply his reasoning. Hell, allow me to simply link you to the thread for full disclosure, thelifestream.net/forums/showthread.php?t=726&page=2And you can all decide for yourself. And while I still don't think Buster would be a good weapon, those fellows did not make it any easier on themselves, as they made the weapon at least a foot longer than what it ought to be for a replica.
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Post by Sigmaleph on Jul 13, 2009 15:47:57 GMT -5
OK, first of all, hi. Second, I'm going to jump into stupid discussion about a fictional a sword in a setting I know next to nothing about, pretty much for no good reason.
The claim was made that the BFS in question would "work". Vague as the term is, I believe a sword that you need to be superhumanly strong to wield does not "work". Would it break? Hell if I know or care.
Thus concludes my stupid action of the day.
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Post by John E on Jul 13, 2009 16:45:02 GMT -5
I would venture to bet that the reason the replica buster sword didn't break despite not having a proportionally wider than normal tang is that the people in the video were unable to swing it with any force. I don't think anyone is saying that such a sword would simply snap if you held it out straight. Rather, we're contending that if someone were strong enough to swing it full speed, a normal width tang would not be strong enough to hold it reliably. A sword that size with a normal size tang would be equivalent to a normal sized sword with a rat-tail tang.
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Post by ryushikaze on Jul 13, 2009 17:45:10 GMT -5
Well, the tang's a bit thicker than usual, and Buster is about 1/4 handle/tang and compared to the rattailed longswords which looked to be 1/8 to 1/10 tang. Granted, it is a bit thicker.
It really is more like a giant clever or kitchen knife than a sword.
And even if the tang is insufficient, I doubt it will snap as was claimed. It's much more likely to bend and deform.
Of course, that's all assuming steel, who knows if we're talking other metals of different durabilities, or even fantasy metals, which it most certainly is, considering it deflects bullets without any deformation.
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Post by John E on Jul 13, 2009 17:55:04 GMT -5
And even if the tang is insufficient, I doubt it will snap as was claimed. It's much more likely to bend and deform. Hm, you're probably right about that.
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Post by Damen on Jul 14, 2009 1:16:42 GMT -5
...considering it deflects bullets without any deformation.
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Post by Admiral Lithp on Jul 14, 2009 1:58:16 GMT -5
Wow. You followed me here to continue this stupid-ass discussion?
I'll admit that it would probably bend, rather than all-out break. You have me on that. But I'm also not talking about 1 good strike, I'm talking about the shit it goes through throughout the Compilation.
Also, an aside on lying about arguments:
I did no such thing. I stated, with as much neutrality as possible, the situation. I didn't want to bore everyone with the details.
I said the latter, first of all. Second of all, you're wrong about the former. You weren't the only one in that thread, & the statement "It would work if someone was strong enough to wield it" was thrown out there. My argument is simply that, ignoring the strength barrier, there is no way it could physically do what is done with it, unless explained away by magic, which you already did.
However, I must not have gotten the point across as well as I thought I did, because I never meant to accuse you of saying a normal person could use it.
Other members on that thread? Yes.
You? No.
It's still more than you gave, in any case.
Here's where the lying thing comes in. I said, & I quote, "I am not arguing for my opinion on the Buster Sword, I am arguing the physics of using the weapon." I also said, "Ironically, all of the weapons mentioned would also have this problem, save for...."
Jesus Christ, you mentioned that the Gunblade would have the same problem, then without waiting to see whether or not I disagreed, you started screaming that you won like a fucking idiot.
The fact that you still think I'm arguing that I like those other weapons because they're "more possible" proves that you weren't paying attention. Auron's Masamune WOULD have this problem, with no contest, because there's a fucking hole where the blade meets the handle.
Which, ironically, is my biggest complaint about it.
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Post by ryushikaze on Jul 14, 2009 20:44:32 GMT -5
...considering it deflects bullets without any deformation. I don't make it, I just report it. It's a handwavium, is my point. And Lithp, I didn't follow you here. If you're unaware, I've been an FSTDT member for ages and my account was transferred here in March. I've simply not posted here since. Nor, BTW, did I come here to continue the squabble, or even to squabble. I came to present the other side of the argument and actually link the the discussion we were having so that the record could speak for itself. I've not come here to 'continue the fight' at all, merely to present a defense and lay the record bare. Any and all continuing of our tiff held as TLS will continue at TLS unless I find you continuing to libel the forum, in which case I may join in simple to present the actual record for consideration. Now then, having said that, I shall return to the mode of lurk unless a pressing demand for my reply is requested.
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Post by Admiral Lithp on Jul 14, 2009 21:50:24 GMT -5
I left, you idiot. Shit, do you have a reading comprehension problem? And stop this "libel" shit when you're still toting this crap around as fact:
That side-discussion only ever existed in your ass, where you pulled it out of, as I've already pointed out.
As for your "defense," no one gives a shit to refute it. And I'm not sure why, but you act VERY differently, here. If this were on TLS, you'd have flipped out on Erickson for not commenting on the 'rat tail tangs,' like you flipped out on me for EVERYTHING.
Seriously, you spent HOW many pages raging at me for calling "bullshit" on your unnamed SOLDIER stationed at Nibelheim, & people called ME a dramawhore? Yeah, okay.
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Post by Mantorok on Jul 14, 2009 22:40:58 GMT -5
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Post by Admiral Lithp on Jul 15, 2009 1:26:18 GMT -5
Oh, shut it, Manto. >_<
Also, that guy doesn't look very serious.
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Post by The Lazy One on Jul 15, 2009 14:11:19 GMT -5
Oh, shut it, Manto. >_< Also, that guy doesn't look very serious. He looks more like he's saying, "Yes! Ten million dollars from Nigeria and I don't even have to do anything!"
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Post by John E on Jul 15, 2009 20:37:06 GMT -5
If he uses a scythe, somehow, he will become immeasurably more badass with the power to rain down flower petals. Two words: fire scythe
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