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Post by schizophonic on Mar 9, 2009 13:30:40 GMT -5
I have no idea--you're probably right and it goes back to the whole "women must constantly be punished for the APPLE INCIDENT", but that's pretty sick. What I don't understand is how they think that a child resulting from a rape could possibly have a chance at a decent life. Abortion is probably the kindest thing anybody could do for it. Maybe--MAYBE--if it was given up for adoption after birth and never found out about where it came from, it might have a decent life, but speaking personally, I'd rather be dead than know that I was the product of a rape. To know that I was neither planned for, expected, or wanted and that my father is a criminal and that MY VERY EXISTENCE is the result of his horrific violation of an innocent girl or woman would probably just make me want to walk under a bus. Well remember, the bulk of pro lifers don't care about you after you're born. They just want to make sure you get here. They're against social services, child care for mothers still in school, and were even against guaranteed maternal leave. I'm betting they don't give a damn about the child's mental/emotional wellbeing any more than they do about their post-birth physical wellbeing. That being said, I don't know if I could live with being the product of rape, either.
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Post by canadian mojo on Mar 9, 2009 13:48:57 GMT -5
I think one of the deep seated reasons for the mysogny is that bearing children is the one thing males can't ever compete with women at. It was/is a very god-like and mystical power that males can't come close to rivaling. The only way to contain that kind of power is to demonize it. Then you put it on a very tight leash and don't ever let go.
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Post by Anti-Goth on Mar 9, 2009 14:15:33 GMT -5
I think one of the deep seated reasons for the mysogny is that bearing children is the one thing males can't ever compete with women at. It was/is a very god-like and mystical power that males can't come close to rivaling. The only way to contain that kind of power is to demonize it. Then you put it on a very tight leash and don't ever let go. Wow, that's pretty deep thinking right there. So there must be some sort of "womb envy", right? That puts it in perspective, if you think about it. It means the most ardently anti-choice and/or misogynist men are subconsciously jealous or afraid of the fact that women can get pregnant and give birth. Therefore, they need to control women to keep their egos intact. Or something like that. I know, I know, I'm just BSing, but I thought it was a really interesting idea.
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Post by perv on Mar 9, 2009 16:47:54 GMT -5
What I don't understand is how they think that a child resulting from a rape could possibly have a chance at a decent life. Abortion is probably the kindest thing anybody could do for it. Well I donno about that. I wouldn't go so far as to say it would be a bad decision to not have an abortion after a rape. Certainly it would be hard to hear if/when they learned about it, but I don't think it means they would be doomed to a miserable life. That in no way justifies forcing a woman to carry the child to term, however.
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Post by Paradox on Mar 9, 2009 16:48:45 GMT -5
I think one of the deep seated reasons for the mysogny is that bearing children is the one thing males can't ever compete with women at. It was/is a very god-like and mystical power that males can't come close to rivaling. The only way to contain that kind of power is to demonize it. Then you put it on a very tight leash and don't ever let go. Women are like sexy Von Newman machines.
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Post by canadian mojo on Mar 9, 2009 16:56:33 GMT -5
"Womb envy" would be pretty much analogous to the biggest homophobes being closet queers. Given the Ted Haggard's of the world, there might actually be some truth to it. I think it is a more generalized fear of inadequacy; that if women were allowed to compete on an even footing the men would lose. It would also explain why women's access to education is so tightly restriced in some places.
However, having seen the birthing process up close, I'm quite happy to let you girls keep it.
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Post by Vene on Mar 9, 2009 17:07:44 GMT -5
This whole situation makes me want to hurt somebody. Preferably the fuckwit rapist. Although in this case Catholic church higher ups works just fine too.
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Post by clockworkgirl21 on Mar 9, 2009 17:58:14 GMT -5
Why does everyone think people are pro-life because they hate women? They just, for some reason, see a fetus as a person. Not all can be like, "Oh, a woman, I must have control over her!"
Oh, god. I have an aunt who thinks women are naturally superior because they give birth. I love her to death, but she drives me crazy sometimes. I don't believe it's all that special. That's how mammals work. The female carries it and pushes it out. And besides, she can't get pregnant without a male. Both males and females are equally important for the species to continue. I see nothing godlike or powerful about birth. It's a messy, disgusting, painful process.
Radical feminists make me want to puke as much as misogynists do. As long as I'm ranting about it.
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Post by canadian mojo on Mar 9, 2009 18:44:57 GMT -5
Why does everyone think people are pro-life because they hate women? They just, for some reason, see a fetus as a person. Not all can be like, "Oh, a woman, I must have control over her!" Oh, god. I have an aunt who thinks women are naturally superior because they give birth. I love her to death, but she drives me crazy sometimes. I don't believe it's all that special. That's how mammals work. The female carries it and pushes it out. And besides, she can't get pregnant without a male. Both males and females are equally important for the species to continue. I see nothing godlike or powerful about birth. It's a messy, disgusting, painful process. Radical feminists make me want to puke as much as misogynists do. As long as I'm ranting about it. Did I just get called a radical feminist? Let me clarify a little. Once upon a time people worshiped fertility godesses. That changed. Let a couple of thousand years pass and nobody really thinks why things are the way they are, it is just an accepted norm. You are right, people can just simply think that a fetus is a person. The problem is that the rest of the crap that often goes along with it hints at something else.
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Post by clockworkgirl21 on Mar 9, 2009 18:48:52 GMT -5
I didn't mean to imply you were a radical feminist, that's just an idea a lot of radical feminists have: women are superior because they can push out crotch spawn. ;D
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Post by canadian mojo on Mar 9, 2009 19:35:22 GMT -5
I didn't mean to imply you were a radical feminist, that's just an idea a lot of radical feminists have: women are superior because they can push out crotch spawn. ;D I didn't really think you were, but I did find the idea rather amusing. ;D
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Post by schizophonic on Mar 10, 2009 8:20:41 GMT -5
I don't know why I giggled at "crotch spawn," but I did.
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Post by canadian mojo on Mar 10, 2009 8:48:00 GMT -5
I don't know why I giggled at "crotch spawn," but I did. I know. I'm going to have a hard time not using that on my daughter when she gets older.
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Post by schizophonic on Mar 10, 2009 11:02:41 GMT -5
I don't know why I giggled at "crotch spawn," but I did. I know. I'm going to have a hard time not using that on my daughter when she gets older. Times like this, I wish I knew women who planned on breeding at some point.
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Post by BenderBRodriguez on Mar 10, 2009 13:52:30 GMT -5
I'd GLADLY accept excommunication if it meant saving a 9-year-old's life. Anyone who wouldn't doesn't deserve to be counted among us humans.
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