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Post by Death on Mar 16, 2009 1:08:33 GMT -5
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Post by Lady Renae on Mar 16, 2009 2:04:22 GMT -5
Unusual or not, I STILL say these fuckers need to know the crimson beauty of a flamethrower.
Up close. And personal.
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Post by Death on Mar 16, 2009 3:16:54 GMT -5
Unusual or not, I STILL say these fuckers need to know the crimson beauty of a flamethrower. Up close. And personal. I meant that precocious puberty is not that unusual.
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Post by schizophonic on Mar 16, 2009 8:06:14 GMT -5
Unusual or not, I STILL say these fuckers need to know the crimson beauty of a flamethrower. Up close. And personal. Too quick. And, I mean, we have those lovely sites like Gitmo still around...Why not put 'em to good use?
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Post by Lady Renae on Mar 16, 2009 8:09:39 GMT -5
Unusual or not, I STILL say these fuckers need to know the crimson beauty of a flamethrower. Up close. And personal. I meant that precocious puberty is not that unusual. I understood that. Some assholes like to use it as an excuse.
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Post by Death on Mar 16, 2009 8:18:35 GMT -5
I meant that precocious puberty is not that unusual. I understood that. Some assholes like to use it as an excuse. I understand that you might possibly be using hyperbole but wishing GBH on the perp isn't going to solve anything. Sure it makes you feel better to say such things but justifying violence is part of the problem, not the solution..
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Post by Lady Renae on Mar 16, 2009 8:28:50 GMT -5
Unfortunately, Death, I am not personally in a position to really do anything about it, so expressing my opinion in a way that at least moderately relieves my stress about it is really all I have. I participate in groups that are active against child abuse and promote abortion rights and education and things of that nature, but other than becoming some sort of vigilante or running for office (which I have less than no business doing), I really can't do any more than I already have. I would never actually partake in such over-reactive violence, as I hope everyone here knows, but my right to express my opinion of this whole mess is my only remaining outlet that won't bankrupt me. If you would prefer I not express it here, I can respect that.
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Post by Oriet on Mar 16, 2009 9:05:22 GMT -5
Interestingly the step-father, who raped the 9 year old, is not eligible for excommunication. Apparently rape is not serious enough to warrant such a punishment. Of course it isn't, do you know how short on priests they'd be if it were?
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Post by Death on Mar 16, 2009 10:27:30 GMT -5
Unfortunately, Death, I am not personally in a position to really do anything about it, so expressing my opinion in a way that at least moderately relieves my stress about it is really all I have. I participate in groups that are active against child abuse and promote abortion rights and education and things of that nature, but other than becoming some sort of vigilante or running for office (which I have less than no business doing), I really can't do any more than I already have. I would never actually partake in such over-reactive violence, as I hope everyone here knows, but my right to express my opinion of this whole mess is my only remaining outlet that won't bankrupt me. If you would prefer I not express it here, I can respect that. dat's why I said hyperbole and I undertand the anger But a disclaimer would be nice, we are supposed to be the example here. And posts like that get pointed out by fundies. Unfortunately it's like the old adage, we not only have to be non fundie, we also have to have the appearence of being non fundie. And I've been thinking about that vigilante (no, not extra legal vigilantism) thing. I'll post more on that when I have more time.
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Post by wmdkitty on Mar 17, 2009 0:02:10 GMT -5
I didn't say it NEVER happens. It's just extremely rare and typically a sign of an... endocrine? disorder.
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Post by perv on Mar 17, 2009 1:37:40 GMT -5
I didn't say it NEVER happens. It's just extremely rare and typically a sign of an... endocrine? disorder. From what I understand it would be accurate to say it is no longer extremely rare, only rare. Or as the wiki article puts it, it's no longer considered "abnormal", meaning that it can happen in absence of any identifiably medical problem.
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Post by wmdkitty on Mar 17, 2009 2:52:52 GMT -5
I didn't say it NEVER happens. It's just extremely rare and typically a sign of an... endocrine? disorder. From what I understand it would be accurate to say it is no longer extremely rare, only rare. Or as the wiki article puts it, it's no longer considered "abnormal", meaning that it can happen in absence of any identifiably medical problem. If it's happening more, there has to be a reason for it. It can't be nutrition related -- if anything, kids eat more junk now than they ever did before, and nutrition plays a critical role in development -- but it might be related to all the chemicals we're spewing into the environment. I still say that precocious puberty is a sign of disease and/or defect, because puberty isn't SUPPOSED to start before age 12 (or maybe late-11). What we need right now isn't a Wiki reference, but an actual, you know, doctor to straighten this out. (Or a published mainstream medical journal...)
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Post by Death on Mar 17, 2009 4:16:09 GMT -5
Thank you Dr Kitty
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Post by Caitshidhe on Mar 17, 2009 9:21:43 GMT -5
For what it's worth, my mother started menstruating when she was nine years old. She wasn't sexually mature by then--not by a long shot!--but a girl doesn't have to be sexually mature in order to be pregnant. And you don't have to have even had a period yet to get pregnant, either. To get mildly medical, ovulation occurs BEFORE the uterine lining is shed, so it's entirely possible for a girl to be pregnant before she even has her first period, and it DOES happen. It has nothing to do with precocious puberty.
Also, the mean age of beginning menstruation has gone down quite a bit over the years. It used to be, if I remember right, somewhere between fourteen and sixteen years old, though that was a long time ago. These days the average age is much lower today, and it's not uncommon for girls to start at nine years old. The medical community has various explanations for why this happens--from improved nutrition for mothers and young children to extra hormones in food. I'm not sure which opinion is winning at the moment,
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Post by schizophonic on Mar 17, 2009 9:49:23 GMT -5
Considering how much estrogen is in various foods, the hormone explanation makes a lot of sense.
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